Anonymous wrote:Arabs exterminating Christians in Iraq . Israel is a million times more proportional than their enemy.

Lumping Arabs together is the same as saying there are black people killing each other in Chicago when someone points out African children are dying of hunger. It is the same as saying White people are responsible for the holocaust, and it is the same rhetoric that is used by people who say Muslims are Terrorists. Lumping a certain group of people together based on race, or religion is not just racist, it is narrow-minded.


Now if you want to discuss what ISIS is doing in Iraq, then be my guest. The difference here is nobody, not a single government or organization in the world is supporting ISIS while the US government and many other European governments have been and are currently supporting Israel's right to "defend" itself against a civilian population.

Anonymous wrote:will they still be Jewish, or will they be muslim now?

We believe that since the beginning of time, there was only one religion and all prophets were sent with the one and same message. Abraham peace be upon him, is actually the one who called us Muslims according to the Quran. In the language of the Holy Quran, prophets are called Muslims, so were their followers:

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he followed the Primordial Religion and hence was a Muslim, and he took not gods with Allah (HQ:3:67).

It is the faith of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation) (HQ: 22: 78).

Jesus' disciples are recorded in the Holy Qur'an as called themselves Muslims, when Jesus said, "Who will support me in the Message of Allah,?" "We are supporting Allah's message with you, we believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims", said the disciples" (HQ: 3:52).

And behold! I inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger; they said, `We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'" (HQ:5:111).


So yes, all the believers who are going to be alive at that time will follow Jesus's teaching and his teaching will be Islam, so yes, they will be Muslims if they believe....

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Muslima wrote:If you think this will affect your relationship, the best thing to do is talk to her about it, and how you feel about her lying to you. Give her a chance to tell her side of the story, and also share how you feel about the whole ordeal. You are sisters for life, don't let money come between you~

I felt her instantly back off when I didn't believe it. I think she thought I would be stupid and just go with it blindly. She would be VERY VERY uncomfortable if I mentioned it again. She hates conflict,

In that case, just let it go and move past it. How is your relationship otherwise? Can you rely on her for other things? Just be careful with Money around her since you already know she has issues with it. I'd be curious to know though why she said they owed her $20k, maybe she has money issues?

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Muslima wrote:The return of Jesus will occur AFTER the Anti-Christ (known in Islam as the Dajjal, meaning the Deceiver who claims to be God) appears and attempts to deceive people into worshipping him. Then, Jesus (the Messiah)will descend from Heaven, pursue and kill the Anti-Christ, and destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the World.

Christians will accept Jesus as a Muslim Prophet and Messenger of God. . There will be no more oppression  or wars, and peace will Every human being will be financially well-off and no one will accept charity. Jesus will perform Hajj (pilgrimage), marry, begets children, and die after living on Earth.(Remember, we don't believe he was killed on the cross, so he has to die because every soul shall taste death, God is the only immortal ) His death will signal the beginning of the last days for humanity before the Day of Judgment.

 

So Jesus becomes a Muslim and so do all the other Christians? I never heard about that before!

What happens to the Jews?

He doesn't "become'' Muslim, we believe that all prophets that were sent were Muslim. Muslim means "submitted to God" so they all submitted to God, all had the same message from day 1: "worship the one true God". Each was sent a set of rules according to people of their times, I-e Moses was sent the torah, Jesus the gospel and Mohamed saw the Quran which was the final revelation for all mankind. Everybody who is left on earth afterJesus peace be upon him comes back will follow his message, whether jews, christians, ect.

Will it be a matter, then, of realizing they were muslim all along? When you say all will follow "his" message, who is "he?"

He means Jesus. He will preach what His Lord send him to, and will spread the message and be a guide to mankind

So he becomes the Messiah -- and is muslim, right? like everyone else, at that point.

What about the Jews?

He is already the Messiah. why do you keep asking about the jews? LOL. I've already said we believe that he will come back as a guide to ALL Mankind, Jews included......

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Best not to muddy the waters with science.

Right - science hadn't been invented yet. I think back then people thought that men planted the seed and it simply grew in the woman - so going by the beliefs of the time, Jesus was all God's DNA. But then DNA hadn't been invented yet, either, so it's hard to know.

DNA wasn't invented! It was discovered.

That's right -- it was there all along, but God didn't mention it in the bible, or connect it in any way to the birth of his son. Why not?

God does talk about embryology:

"Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!" [AL-QUR'AN 23:12-14]

”The which (embryo) We placed in a place of settlement, firmly fixed for a period (of gestation), determined. For We do determine, for We are the best to determine (things). (77: 21-23).

“O mankind! If ye have a doubt about the Recreation (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a chewed-like lump of flesh, formed and unformed, in order that We may manifest (Our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term.” (22: 5) .

They are worth fighting for! Whatever the cost, we need to fight for this war to be over so that both Israeli and Palestinian kids can live a life free of missile, free of rockets and free of drones. Children shouldn't have to pay the cost of war~

If you think this will affect your relationship, the best thing to do is talk to her about it, and how you feel about her lying to you. Give her a chance to tell her side of the story, and also share how you feel about the whole ordeal. You are sisters for life, don't let money come between you~

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

By effectively putting a blockade on Gaza, they fired the first shot, said Israel itself......

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for responding. I believe that most Israelis do believe in a two state solution.

But their government doesn't....

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Anonymous wrote:IF you lived in CCMD and you thought that DC and CCDC "had no right to exist" and you kept lobbing rockets across Western Avenue, hitting our houses, destroying our schools etc one day we would get fed up with it and fight back. That's what is happening in Israel. Hamas does not want peace. They want to annihilate Israel.

I think in actuality Israel wants to annihilate Palestine and all of there people. It is quite apparent by their actions-had they just kept the land they initially stole/got from the UN-and peacefully co-existed with the arabs (perhaps even helping them to prosper as well) there would be peace at least in that small sliver of the middle east. Instead, feeling superior, they want to control and oppress, take over and monopolize, ans become segregated and separatists. They are greedy and self righteous, and hypocrites going against everything in their Talmud and religion.

In 1948, Israel expressed hope to live at peace with her neighbors. Her neighbors responded by attacking. Israel won, resulting in the bounty boundaries pre-1967.
Are you suggesting Israel retreat to the UN lines, or the 1967 lines?

Not pp, but Israel should have never been created. You don't go and put a new country, where people are already living. Palestinians were not the cause of the Holocaust, and I think there's a lot of misplaced expectations & responsibility placed on them. I don't support Israel. I don't support a Jewish state. I support a single, secular state where people can live cohesively, together, in a democratic setting (which Israel is not - despite it's false claims).

By that logic, America should not have been created.

Neither the US or Israel are willing to just disappear. The only option is therefore: peace.

Israel wants peace and a 2 state solution. Hamas does not want peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization demanding Israel's destruction.

We do not negotiate with terrorist leaders like Hamas' leaders; we use drone strikes to kill terrorists.

Wrong. I posted a video yesterday with the head of the jewish settlement project and she said that she worked with Ariel Sharon to :" to strategically put the settlements to make sure that there will NEVER be a Palestinian state".


Netanyahu has now explicitly rejected the two-state solution, and the space for political debate in Israel and the occupied territories has .
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/21/the-two-state-solution-r-i-p/

The 2 states resolution calls for "two States, Israel and Palestine ... side by side within secure and recognized borders" together with "a just resolution of the refugee question in conformity with UN resolution 194". The borders of the state of Palestine are "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution in November 2013 was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions.[2] The countries voting against were Canada, Israel, Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Palau and the United States.[3]

On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly voted by 138 to 9, with 46 abstentions to recognize Palestine as a "non-member observer state". On the following day, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu announced the building of 3,000 new homes on land to the east of East Jerusalem, in an area referred to as "E-1".[22] The move was immediately criticized by several countries, including the United States, with Israeli ambassadors being personally called for meetings with government representatives in the UK, France and Germany, among others. Israel's decision to build the homes was described by the Obama administration as "counterproductive", while Australia said that the building plans "threaten the viability of a two-state solution". This is because they claim the proposed E-1 settlement would physically split the lands under the control of the Palestinian National Authority in two, as the extent of the PNA's authority does not extend all the way to the River Jordan and the Dead Sea

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Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

This only deals with privately owned jewish land vs all other land. How much want owned by government (British) and turned over the UN then Israel? I can not find that number.

The booklet "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" by Jews for Justice in the Middle East states that "in 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6% of the land of Palestine. Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war,[28] over 80% fled or were expelled; some 156,000 remained.

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

Spend less than you make....

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Muslima wrote:I think that's what comes with anonymity. Most of these people wouldn't be this nasty in real life, so don't let that deter you from participating. Welcome

Joined 7/26/14-- 141 messages in two days? Dang! Nobody's deterring YOU from participating, are they?

I'm embarrassed can't believe I talk this much

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