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Anonymous wrote:From what the guy wrote on his blog, he was unhappy and wanted to end his life and move on to Paradise. In his blog he sounded like a true believe. The only sure way to go to paradise, and skip over the trial of the grave, is to be killed in Jihad, which is what he probably thought he was doing.



I don't know that much about Islam, and your statement is probably oversimplifying. But your statement makes him sound like an entitled guy who wants to go to the head of the line without putting in his dues -- suicide by jihad instead of living a good life.


Well, in Islam, death in Jihad gets you straight to Jannah and it's guaranteed. You also skip over the trial of the grave. In Islam, if you lead a good life, you still have to go through the trials/fire of the grave and you will be judged by Allah, and if he finds you lacking, you do not get into Jannat, you go to hell.

Thus, the only guaranteed way to Jannah in Islam is death in Jihad.



I think the word you were looking for is "Martyr", but in any case even dying as a martyr doesn't mean you will go "straight" to heaven. And you don't get to kill people and call it jihad thinking that will guarantee you a place in heaven...
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Anonymous wrote:And please don't act like there's no religious significance at all attached to growing a beard. For some there is and some there isn't. Throwing it out there as a likely sign of religiosity is not an unfair observation. It is seen as a sign of piety and about five seconds in Google will show all sorts of religious discussion on the subject.


My dad was Muslim, and used to have a big beard like that growing up. He didn't have it for religious reasons at all - he just liked having a big beard. Plus, it was the 1970's.

Then one day he shaved it off and it wasn't because his religiosity changed.

I think you're more ignorant than you care to admit. Sometimes a beard is just a beard. Sometimes even Muslims have beards that have nothing to do with their Muslim-ness.


To be fair to the poster who mentioned his beard, she clearly didn't mean the beard to be conclusive evidence. Certainly, if he didn't have a beard, some -- probably me among the first -- would have suggested it was a sign that he wasn't religious (at least not religious as it is practiced by Islamic extremists). We simply don't know either way at this point whether Islam played a role. In the absence of knowledge, we are seeking clues about the cause and motivation of the attack.


Thank you! Was just throwing that out there as an indication. Not sure that warrants being equated with a mass murderer.


I disagree with Jeff and think you're full of crap, PP, "I'd say the style of beard he is sporting in his mugshot and other photos is an indication he is probably practicing and religious, regardless of the DUI..."

You thought out the words that you were going to say and typed them. His style of beard is indicative of nothing including his religiosity. In his graduation picture he's clean shaven. The Fort Hood shooter, a Muslim was clean shaven. Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist was bearded at the time of his shooting.


I literally said it's an indication. I did not say all bearded men are Islamic terrorists, beards are the primary or only sign of religious fundamentalism or anything else. Because nuance is obviously lost on you and because you probably just aren't familiar with the religious significance some ascribe to beards, I will give you some background sources:

http://islamqa.info/en/1189

http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/sotb.html

http://www.justaskislam.com/190/shaving-the-beard-is-it-permissible/

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/trimming-beard.html


It is ironic that you are focusing on his beard to prove that he is a "fundamentalist" and citing islamic Q&As about the importance of the beard. I wonder what those same sources would say about drinking, and what that would be an "indication" of


Not that PP. I find it ironic that you're focusing on his DUI or beard as indicative of his status as a good Muslim instead of his killing 4 people and injuring 3 others. That makes him a poor Muslim, IMO.


I still have not commented on his muslim-ness, didn't know the guy, can't judge his level of faith/practice. I pointed out the irony in trying to prove that he was a fundamentalist because he had a beard while he was busted for a DUI a few months ago and I pointed out that if you love a religion so much that you are supposedly killing in its name, you just might want to follow some of its basic principles, but hey no big deal....
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Anonymous wrote:And please don't act like there's no religious significance at all attached to growing a beard. For some there is and some there isn't. Throwing it out there as a likely sign of religiosity is not an unfair observation. It is seen as a sign of piety and about five seconds in Google will show all sorts of religious discussion on the subject.


My dad was Muslim, and used to have a big beard like that growing up. He didn't have it for religious reasons at all - he just liked having a big beard. Plus, it was the 1970's.

Then one day he shaved it off and it wasn't because his religiosity changed.

I think you're more ignorant than you care to admit. Sometimes a beard is just a beard. Sometimes even Muslims have beards that have nothing to do with their Muslim-ness.


To be fair to the poster who mentioned his beard, she clearly didn't mean the beard to be conclusive evidence. Certainly, if he didn't have a beard, some -- probably me among the first -- would have suggested it was a sign that he wasn't religious (at least not religious as it is practiced by Islamic extremists). We simply don't know either way at this point whether Islam played a role. In the absence of knowledge, we are seeking clues about the cause and motivation of the attack.


Thank you! Was just throwing that out there as an indication. Not sure that warrants being equated with a mass murderer.


I disagree with Jeff and think you're full of crap, PP, "I'd say the style of beard he is sporting in his mugshot and other photos is an indication he is probably practicing and religious, regardless of the DUI..."

You thought out the words that you were going to say and typed them. His style of beard is indicative of nothing including his religiosity. In his graduation picture he's clean shaven. The Fort Hood shooter, a Muslim was clean shaven. Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist was bearded at the time of his shooting.


I literally said it's an indication. I did not say all bearded men are Islamic terrorists, beards are the primary or only sign of religious fundamentalism or anything else. Because nuance is obviously lost on you and because you probably just aren't familiar with the religious significance some ascribe to beards, I will give you some background sources:

http://islamqa.info/en/1189

http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/sotb.html

http://www.justaskislam.com/190/shaving-the-beard-is-it-permissible/

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/trimming-beard.html


It is ironic that you are focusing on his beard to prove that he is a "fundamentalist" and citing islamic Q&As about the importance of the beard. I wonder what those same sources would say about drinking, and what that would be an "indication" of
Thank you. I'm sure she loved it, sweets are the best
Thank you! Eid Mubarak to you as well
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Muslima wrote:Sometimes a beard is just a beard, and a Muslim name is just that, a name! The dude had a DUI and was smiling on his mugshot. If you care about Islam that much that you are willing to kill for it, trust me, you wouldn't be caught drinking, much less getting a DUI....


I don't think anyone intends to get caught drinking and getting a DUI.

And there are plenty of stories of pious Muslims who drink, it doesn't signify anything, one way or another.


Where are those stories of "Pious" Muslims who drink?
Sometimes a beard is just a beard, and a Muslim name is just that, a name! The dude had a DUI and was smiling on his mugshot. If you care about Islam that much that you are willing to kill for it, trust me, you wouldn't be caught drinking, much less getting a DUI. I feel bad for this guy's family, especially that this is happening on Eid's eve, they won't be celebrating tomorrow, have to burry their child and probably have their lives turned upside down with constant monitoring from the CIA/FBI and every other entity out there, watch lists and what not, and the entire community watching them. My thoughts & prayers for the families of the marines who also lost their lives. Sad all around!
Yeh, that is a bit weird to voluntarily fast and make a big deal about other people eating/drinking around you, insane!

Eid Mubarak to everyone celebrating tomorrow isa
Better him than Jindal...
Oh you shouldn't feel that way. Fasting is such a spiritual experience that looking at food or other people eating, shouldn't bother her much, it's all in your mind. Plus everything tastes better at Iftar, so she will love those chocolates
Im sure she'd appreciate anything really, depends on what type of person she is and what she likes, but even just a card is thoughtful and appreciated. Also, the cake idea is not bad at all, she can eat it at Iftar ( when we break our fast), since she does eat every night, it could be a good dessert
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Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.


Then the tax laws discriminate. They need to be changed.


They do discriminate and always have. The tax law treats single & married people differently.

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Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.

You already can't double dip on child credits can you? Like if your married and filing separately both spouses can't take full child credit can they? If not, it would be the same if you had 5 spouse, only one can claim credit for a given child.


I guess that could work. We would definitely need more appropriate marginal tax brackets that would only apply to polygamous families, or else they would end up paying way more taxes than they are supposed to assuming all spouses work full-time.
Anonymous wrote:I wish I was Muslim working for the government so I could use my position force my religion on everyone.


uhm....okay!!!!
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Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.


Interesting. How many legal rights regarding the above does she have in countries where polygamy is legal, compared to her husband?


What kind of logic is that?


I agree the legal situation here is complicated , and many laws would need to be written so all the wives are on equal footing with each other and their husband. Wouldn't it be simplest just to copy the code from.countries where polygamy is institutionalized?


The main issue would be that most of those countries ' family & tax laws are very different from ours. Our tax laws would have to be revised and substantially changed/updated to recognize multiple spouses, dependents ect. I am not saying it is impossible, but it would take a while to implement!
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