Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From what the guy wrote on his blog, he was unhappy and wanted to end his life and move on to Paradise. In his blog he sounded like a true believe. The only sure way to go to paradise, and skip over the trial of the grave, is to be killed in Jihad, which is what he probably thought he was doing.
I don't know that much about Islam, and your statement is probably oversimplifying. But your statement makes him sound like an entitled guy who wants to go to the head of the line without putting in his dues -- suicide by jihad instead of living a good life.
Well, in Islam, death in Jihad gets you straight to Jannah and it's guaranteed. You also skip over the trial of the grave. In Islam, if you lead a good life, you still have to go through the trials/fire of the grave and you will be judged by Allah, and if he finds you lacking, you do not get into Jannat, you go to hell.
Thus, the only guaranteed way to Jannah in Islam is death in Jihad.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And please don't act like there's no religious significance at all attached to growing a beard. For some there is and some there isn't. Throwing it out there as a likely sign of religiosity is not an unfair observation. It is seen as a sign of piety and about five seconds in Google will show all sorts of religious discussion on the subject.
My dad was Muslim, and used to have a big beard like that growing up. He didn't have it for religious reasons at all - he just liked having a big beard. Plus, it was the 1970's.
Then one day he shaved it off and it wasn't because his religiosity changed.
I think you're more ignorant than you care to admit. Sometimes a beard is just a beard. Sometimes even Muslims have beards that have nothing to do with their Muslim-ness.
To be fair to the poster who mentioned his beard, she clearly didn't mean the beard to be conclusive evidence. Certainly, if he didn't have a beard, some -- probably me among the first -- would have suggested it was a sign that he wasn't religious (at least not religious as it is practiced by Islamic extremists). We simply don't know either way at this point whether Islam played a role. In the absence of knowledge, we are seeking clues about the cause and motivation of the attack.
Thank you! Was just throwing that out there as an indication. Not sure that warrants being equated with a mass murderer.
I disagree with Jeff and think you're full of crap, PP, "I'd say the style of beard he is sporting in his mugshot and other photos is an indication he is probably practicing and religious, regardless of the DUI..."
You thought out the words that you were going to say and typed them. His style of beard is indicative of nothing including his religiosity. In his graduation picture he's clean shaven. The Fort Hood shooter, a Muslim was clean shaven. Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist was bearded at the time of his shooting.
I literally said it's an indication. I did not say all bearded men are Islamic terrorists, beards are the primary or only sign of religious fundamentalism or anything else. Because nuance is obviously lost on you and because you probably just aren't familiar with the religious significance some ascribe to beards, I will give you some background sources:
http://islamqa.info/en/1189
http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/sotb.html
http://www.justaskislam.com/190/shaving-the-beard-is-it-permissible/
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/trimming-beard.html
It is ironic that you are focusing on his beard to prove that he is a "fundamentalist" and citing islamic Q&As about the importance of the beard. I wonder what those same sources would say about drinking, and what that would be an "indication" of![]()
Not that PP. I find it ironic that you're focusing on his DUI or beard as indicative of his status as a good Muslim instead of his killing 4 people and injuring 3 others. That makes him a poor Muslim, IMO.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And please don't act like there's no religious significance at all attached to growing a beard. For some there is and some there isn't. Throwing it out there as a likely sign of religiosity is not an unfair observation. It is seen as a sign of piety and about five seconds in Google will show all sorts of religious discussion on the subject.
My dad was Muslim, and used to have a big beard like that growing up. He didn't have it for religious reasons at all - he just liked having a big beard. Plus, it was the 1970's.
Then one day he shaved it off and it wasn't because his religiosity changed.
I think you're more ignorant than you care to admit. Sometimes a beard is just a beard. Sometimes even Muslims have beards that have nothing to do with their Muslim-ness.
To be fair to the poster who mentioned his beard, she clearly didn't mean the beard to be conclusive evidence. Certainly, if he didn't have a beard, some -- probably me among the first -- would have suggested it was a sign that he wasn't religious (at least not religious as it is practiced by Islamic extremists). We simply don't know either way at this point whether Islam played a role. In the absence of knowledge, we are seeking clues about the cause and motivation of the attack.
Thank you! Was just throwing that out there as an indication. Not sure that warrants being equated with a mass murderer.
I disagree with Jeff and think you're full of crap, PP, "I'd say the style of beard he is sporting in his mugshot and other photos is an indication he is probably practicing and religious, regardless of the DUI..."
You thought out the words that you were going to say and typed them. His style of beard is indicative of nothing including his religiosity. In his graduation picture he's clean shaven. The Fort Hood shooter, a Muslim was clean shaven. Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist was bearded at the time of his shooting.
I literally said it's an indication. I did not say all bearded men are Islamic terrorists, beards are the primary or only sign of religious fundamentalism or anything else. Because nuance is obviously lost on you and because you probably just aren't familiar with the religious significance some ascribe to beards, I will give you some background sources:
http://islamqa.info/en/1189
http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/sotb.html
http://www.justaskislam.com/190/shaving-the-beard-is-it-permissible/
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/trimming-beard.html
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Sometimes a beard is just a beard, and a Muslim name is just that, a name! The dude had a DUI and was smiling on his mugshot. If you care about Islam that much that you are willing to kill for it, trust me, you wouldn't be caught drinking, much less getting a DUI....
I don't think anyone intends to get caught drinking and getting a DUI.
And there are plenty of stories of pious Muslims who drink, it doesn't signify anything, one way or another.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.
Then the tax laws discriminate. They need to be changed.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.
You already can't double dip on child credits can you? Like if your married and filing separately both spouses can't take full child credit can they? If not, it would be the same if you had 5 spouse, only one can claim credit for a given child.
Anonymous wrote:I wish I was Muslim working for the government so I could use my position force my religion on everyone.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote: If the legal standard for a legitimate relationship is consenting adults, there's no reason polygamy should be illegal. Tax-wise, however, it would be a nightmare . Our tax system is predicated on monogamy for child credits, spousal benefits, income adjustments etc, so I don't see it happening any time soon. In the Muslim community, I know of some polygamous marriages & was just announced one a few days ago, the issue with those marriages in the US is that the 2nd/3rd/xnth wife doesn't have any legal rights which gives her little to zero protection in case of divorce, abuse ect. and this creates other socio-economic issues as well.
Interesting. How many legal rights regarding the above does she have in countries where polygamy is legal, compared to her husband?
What kind of logic is that?
I agree the legal situation here is complicated , and many laws would need to be written so all the wives are on equal footing with each other and their husband. Wouldn't it be simplest just to copy the code from.countries where polygamy is institutionalized?