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Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.

For the Pakistan situation to be equivalent, the British would have had to promise the same land to the Hindus and Pakistanis. Then they would have had to divide the land up so that Muslims got half, and Hindus got half, despite the fact that Hindus outnumbered Muslims 10:1. This would have required the displacement of about 390 million Hindus from their homes instead of the modest 7 million Hindus.

So even given the more equitable division of India, they still had four wars: 47, 65, 71 and 99. They had decades of communal riots. Mahatma Gahndi was assassinated, and so was Indira Gandhi. Again to make the situation comparable today, India would be occupying Pakistan and Bangladesh. They would strictly control the goods and people going into and out of these two countries. And if Pakistanis did so much as throw rocks in protest, they would be considered terrorists.

Why does it have to be equivalent to be relevant? The point is that borders are not set in stone. Countries have come and gone throughout history. Being displaced is nothing new. I don't know how anyone Americans can see it otherwise, since -- as I've said in other threads -- this country is built on the hard work of the displaced. Most people here have roots somewhere else, no?

Does it make it right? We have to be better than History, we don't go around repeating slavery, segregation, holocaust, colonialism on the basis that that's how things were done before. We learn from our mistakes, we grow to be civilized people and once we know better we do better. Occupation, Colonization, Holocaust, you name in, in all cases, they tend to work out badly for everyone involved, whether you get classed as 'us' or 'them'.

You're missing my point -- which is that the millions (countless really) of people throughout history who have been displaced and whose countries have been redefined under their feet have not resorted to endless terrorism and war as a response to that. But you are using it to justify violence against Israel that will never end, which in turn means the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians, including children. That is an insane response IMO.

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Muslima wrote:Oh get off of your high horses. I pay as much taxes as you do if not more. I am against the terrorist state of Israel and against the blind support of the American government to the state of Israel and the fact that we contribute $3billion/year to the slaughter and dehumanization of a people. Now if that makes me Un-American and Anti-semetic in your world, so be it. That won't keep me up at night~

Keep on talking. You are proving the 'crazy' that is Palestinian indoctrination.

If you don't like the US position on Israel, you are welcome to go to a Muslim country that will treat you well. Or any other. Your choice

Do you think that being American means blind, unadulterated support for every single thing America does?

I think you got the U.S. confused with North Korea or maybe KSA.

Freedom of speech, I support. Unhinged rants accusing the US of murder from the safety of an armchair in the very country that harbors him/her? I'm sorry, I cannot let that pass without comment

You are clearly under-medicated ~

If calling you out on your hypocrisy means I need medication, I'm good with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the tunnels there or are they not? Does Hamas plan to use those tunnels to kill Israeli civilians, yes or no?

The story is developing from interviews of captured Palestinian soldiers. Netanyahu told his cabinet yesterday. So you can choose to concentrate on the exact number of terrorists specifically targeting Kibbutzim if you choose. I will concentrate - and rejoice - in the news that the attack was thwarted early.

Do you believe that this attack was planned? Yes or no.

Just fyi, you know torture is legal in Israel, right? Look up the Landau commission report. When they discovered IDF routinely extorted confessions with torture, they recommended that torture be made legal.

You know swinging gay people from cranes, genital mutilation, honor killings, and child brides are legal in Muslim countries, right? Forgive me for not shedding a tear over militants being tortured to gain information that saves innocent lives

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Muslima wrote:Oh get off of your high horses. I pay as much taxes as you do if not more. I am against the terrorist state of Israel and against the blind support of the American government to the state of Israel and the fact that we contribute $3billion/year to the slaughter and dehumanization of a people. Now if that makes me Un-American and Anti-semetic in your world, so be it. That won't keep me up at night~

Keep on talking. You are proving the 'crazy' that is Palestinian indoctrination.

If you don't like the US position on Israel, you are welcome to go to a Muslim country that will treat you well. Or any other. Your choice

Do you think that being American means blind, unadulterated support for every single thing America does?

I think you got the U.S. confused with North Korea or maybe KSA.

Freedom of speech, I support. Unhinged rants accusing the US of murder from the safety of an armchair in the very country that harbors him/her? I'm sorry, I cannot let that pass without comment

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Muslima wrote:Oh get off of your high horses. I pay as much taxes as you do if not more. I am against the terrorist state of Israel and against the blind support of the American government to the state of Israel and the fact that we contribute $3billion/year to the slaughter and dehumanization of a people. Now if that makes me Un-American and Anti-semetic in your world, so be it. That won't keep me up at night~

Keep on talking. You are proving the 'crazy' that is Palestinian indoctrination.

If you don't like the US position on Israel, you are welcome to go to a Muslim country that will treat you well. Or any other. Your choice

I guess I will have to take a bunch of other Americans with me, ugh?? But we are not going anywhere, we are staying, deal with it~~

You have the right to your opinion, but understand it is just that. The fact that you are going on and on and on, on tons of threads, has me thinking you hate this country. The right thing to do then, is leave.

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Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.

For the Pakistan situation to be equivalent, the British would have had to promise the same land to the Hindus and Pakistanis. Then they would have had to divide the land up so that Muslims got half, and Hindus got half, despite the fact that Hindus outnumbered Muslims 10:1. This would have required the displacement of about 390 million Hindus from their homes instead of the modest 7 million Hindus.

So even given the more equitable division of India, they still had four wars: 47, 65, 71 and 99. They had decades of communal riots. Mahatma Gahndi was assassinated, and so was Indira Gandhi. Again to make the situation comparable today, India would be occupying Pakistan and Bangladesh. They would strictly control the goods and people going into and out of these two countries. And if Pakistanis did so much as throw rocks in protest, they would be considered terrorists.

Why does it have to be equivalent to be relevant? The point is that borders are not set in stone. Countries have come and gone throughout history. Being displaced is nothing new. I don't know how anyone Americans can see it otherwise, since -- as I've said in other threads -- this country is built on the hard work of the displaced. Most people here have roots somewhere else, no?

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Muslima wrote:Oh get off of your high horses. I pay as much taxes as you do if not more. I am against the terrorist state of Israel and against the blind support of the American government to the state of Israel and the fact that we contribute $3billion/year to the slaughter and dehumanization of a people. Now if that makes me Un-American and Anti-semetic in your world, so be it. That won't keep me up at night~

Keep on talking. You are proving the 'crazy' that is Palestinian indoctrination.

If you don't like the US position on Israel, you are welcome to go to a Muslim country that will treat you well. Or any other. Your choice

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Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

I don't think pp is actually speaking from the Israeli viewpoint, she's explaining it.

He/she used the pronoun "We" so I understood it as he/she being part of the "we"

I am the PP you quoted and yes, I posted it with all due sarcasm and simplification of what Israelis are taught. I'm actually on your side. There was no need to go all nuclear on me.

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Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

I don't think pp is actually speaking from the Israeli viewpoint, she's explaining it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Native Americans had been as vocal and also had the unrelenting support that a few of you consistently espouse for Israel and Palestine. Today, in 2014, the poorest county in America with no electricity, is in South Dakota called Pine Ridge.

I feel deeply for and saddened for the Palestineans in their plight for freedom, and I also understand the fear of security for Israel. This is a very, very complex situation with no easy answers. Death and destruction.

But I will tell you that I feel some contempt when I hear both sides self-servingly spout on about the injustices but right under your noses you deliver not even lip service to right the wrong to Native Americans right here in 2014. Right here in America. When I start seeing that, maybe I will have more empathy with the hundreds of post here.

When I see your outrage and your anger for the number of Native American children and young adults who die of despair and physically in the bosom of the wealthiest nation on earth, then I will feel empathy in your words.

This forum has been a bully pulpit for a handful of posters. Good! That's the purpose of free speech and to call attention to injustices. I have done the same.

Please, please, start a thread, or multiple threads, about Native Americans. I for one feel just as strongly about their plight as I do about those in the Middle East. Just today I was thinking of the impact of the United States on Native Americans and its similarity to Israel's impact on the Palestinians. Given the American experience, it is not unrealistic to assume that this ends with a soccer team in the capital of Israel named the Jerusalem Ragheads. Of course, the team's owner will argue that the name is meant to honor Palestinians.

I would be glad to see more attention shed on Native Americans and, especially, the history of their treatment in this country.

PP here. I guess I get a little ticked off when I keep hearing about how Palestineans have been kicked off their land and how America should step in and help right the wrong and how outraged we as Americans should be. I keep reading Native Americans mentioned in the same vein as Palestineans having their land taken and all is forgotten. It burned me up.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to vent. The Native American ordeal deserves as much attention to right the wrong. I just ask that the poster who continually uses them in his analogy understand that it's more to some of us than just a passing reference.

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Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?