Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

This only deals with privately owned jewish land vs all other land. How much want owned by government (British) and turned over the UN then Israel? I can not find that number.

The booklet "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" by Jews for Justice in the Middle East states that "in 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6% of the land of Palestine. Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war,[28] over 80% fled or were expelled; some 156,000 remained.

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Anonymous wrote:IF you lived in CCMD and you thought that DC and CCDC "had no right to exist" and you kept lobbing rockets across Western Avenue, hitting our houses, destroying our schools etc one day we would get fed up with it and fight back. That's what is happening in Israel. Hamas does not want peace. They want to annihilate Israel.

I think in actuality Israel wants to annihilate Palestine and all of there people. It is quite apparent by their actions-had they just kept the land they initially stole/got from the UN-and peacefully co-existed with the arabs (perhaps even helping them to prosper as well) there would be peace at least in that small sliver of the middle east. Instead, feeling superior, they want to control and oppress, take over and monopolize, ans become segregated and separatists. They are greedy and self righteous, and hypocrites going against everything in their Talmud and religion.

In 1948, Israel expressed hope to live at peace with her neighbors. Her neighbors responded by attacking. Israel won, resulting in the bounty boundaries pre-1967.
Are you suggesting Israel retreat to the UN lines, or the 1967 lines?

Not pp, but Israel should have never been created. You don't go and put a new country, where people are already living. Palestinians were not the cause of the Holocaust, and I think there's a lot of misplaced expectations & responsibility placed on them. I don't support Israel. I don't support a Jewish state. I support a single, secular state where people can live cohesively, together, in a democratic setting (which Israel is not - despite it's false claims).

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Anonymous wrote:IF you lived in CCMD and you thought that DC and CCDC "had no right to exist" and you kept lobbing rockets across Western Avenue, hitting our houses, destroying our schools etc one day we would get fed up with it and fight back. That's what is happening in Israel. Hamas does not want peace. They want to annihilate Israel.

I think in actuality Israel wants to annihilate Palestine and all of there people. It is quite apparent by their actions-had they just kept the land they initially stole/got from the UN-and peacefully co-existed with the arabs (perhaps even helping them to prosper as well) there would be peace at least in that small sliver of the middle east. Instead, feeling superior, they want to control and oppress, take over and monopolize, ans become segregated and separatists. They are greedy and self righteous, and hypocrites going against everything in their Talmud and religion.

In 1948, Israel expressed hope to live at peace with her neighbors. Her neighbors responded by attacking. Israel won, resulting in the bounty boundaries pre-1967.
Are you suggesting Israel retreat to the UN lines, or the 1967 lines?

Not pp, but Israel should have never been created. You don't go and put a new country, where people are already living. Palestinians were not the cause of the Holocaust, and I think there's a lot of misplaced expectations & responsibility placed on them. I don't support Israel. I don't support a Jewish state. I support a single, secular state where people can live cohesively, together, in a democratic setting (which Israel is not - despite it's false claims).

By that logic, America should not have been created.

Neither the US or Israel are willing to just disappear. The only option is therefore: peace.

Israel wants peace and a 2 state solution. Hamas does not want peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization demanding Israel's destruction.

We do not negotiate with terrorist leaders like Hamas' leaders; we use drone strikes to kill terrorists.

On 29 November 2012, the UN General Assembly voted by 138 to 9, with 46 abstentions to recognize Palestine as a "non-member observer state". On the following day, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu announced the building of 3,000 new homes on land to the east of East Jerusalem, in an area referred to as "E-1".[22] The move was immediately criticized by several countries, including the United States, with Israeli ambassadors being personally called for meetings with government representatives in the UK, France and Germany, among others. Israel's decision to build the homes was described by the Obama administration as "counterproductive", while Australia said that the building plans "threaten the viability of a two-state solution". This is because they claim the proposed E-1 settlement would physically split the lands under the control of the Palestinian National Authority in two, as the extent of the PNA's authority does not extend all the way to the River Jordan and the Dead Sea

Anonymous wrote:Hamas justifies attackes on unarmed israelis. Jeff Steele, the owner of the forum talks about how he understands how one could get pushed to the point of firing rockets.

I would like the following to happen:

1) The Gaza Government to recognize Israel's right to exist (Hamas wants Israel out).

2) Israel end the blockade of Gaza. Israel can not do that until the flow of weapons stop.

3) The people of Gaza and the west bank have a homeland. It can be the same homeland, or it could be two separate countries...that is for them to decide.

4) Israel plan for the withdrawal of settlements from the west bank

However, none of this can happen when rockets are being indiscriminately into Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:IF you lived in CCMD and you thought that DC and CCDC "had no right to exist" and you kept lobbing rockets across Western Avenue, hitting our houses, destroying our schools etc one day we would get fed up with it and fight back. That's what is happening in Israel. Hamas does not want peace. They want to annihilate Israel.

I think in actuality Israel wants to annihilate Palestine and all of there people. It is quite apparent by their actions-had they just kept the land they initially stole/got from the UN-and peacefully co-existed with the arabs (perhaps even helping them to prosper as well) there would be peace at least in that small sliver of the middle east. Instead, feeling superior, they want to control and oppress, take over and monopolize, ans become segregated and separatists. They are greedy and self righteous, and hypocrites going against everything in their Talmud and religion.

In 1948, Israel expressed hope to live at peace with her neighbors. Her neighbors responded by attacking. Israel won, resulting in the bounty boundaries pre-1967.
Are you suggesting Israel retreat to the UN lines, or the 1967 lines?

Not pp, but Israel should have never been created. You don't go and put a new country, where people are already living. Palestinians were not the cause of the Holocaust, and I think there's a lot of misplaced expectations & responsibility placed on them. I don't support Israel. I don't support a Jewish state. I support a single, secular state where people can live cohesively, together, in a democratic setting (which Israel is not - despite it's false claims).

By that logic, America should not have been created.

Neither the US or Israel are willing to just disappear. The only option is therefore: peace.

Israel wants peace and a 2 state solution. Hamas does not want peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization demanding Israel's destruction.

We do not negotiate with terrorist leaders like Hamas' leaders; we use drone strikes to kill terrorists.

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jsteele wrote:That's a very limited perspective. Consider this perspective instead:

The combined Washington, DC and Chevy Chase, MD used to be your homeland. Some strangers came from Ashburn and kicked you out, forcing you to live as a refugee in CCMD. For 40 years, they occupied CCMD, restricting every aspect of your life. Even when the Ashburnists withdrew from CCMD, they controlled travel to and from CCMD, controlled imports and exports, controlled customs duties and generally turned CCMD into an open air prison. Then, imagine that CCMD holds an election for town council and when a party disliked by the Ashburnists wins, a trade embargo is implemented and political leaders are arrested and killed.

You might want to fire a rocket at some point as well.

+1 people seem to forget the history of this conflict and how it all started

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Anonymous wrote:IF you lived in CCMD and you thought that DC and CCDC "had no right to exist" and you kept lobbing rockets across Western Avenue, hitting our houses, destroying our schools etc one day we would get fed up with it and fight back. That's what is happening in Israel. Hamas does not want peace. They want to annihilate Israel.

I think in actuality Israel wants to annihilate Palestine and all of there people. It is quite apparent by their actions-had they just kept the land they initially stole/got from the UN-and peacefully co-existed with the arabs (perhaps even helping them to prosper as well) there would be peace at least in that small sliver of the middle east. Instead, feeling superior, they want to control and oppress, take over and monopolize, ans become segregated and separatists. They are greedy and self righteous, and hypocrites going against everything in their Talmud and religion.

In 1948, Israel expressed hope to live at peace with her neighbors. Her neighbors responded by attacking. Israel won, resulting in the bounty boundaries pre-1967.
Are you suggesting Israel retreat to the UN lines, or the 1967 lines?

Not pp, but Israel should have never been created. You don't go and put a new country, where people are already living. Palestinians were not the cause of the Holocaust, and I think there's a lot of misplaced expectations & responsibility placed on them. I don't support Israel. I don't support a Jewish state. I support a single, secular state where people can live cohesively, together, in a democratic setting (which Israel is not - despite it's false claims).

By that logic, America should not have been created.

Neither the US or Israel are willing to just disappear. The only option is therefore: peace.

Israel wants peace and a 2 state solution. Hamas does not want peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization demanding Israel's destruction.

We do not negotiate with terrorist leaders like Hamas' leaders; we use drone strikes to kill terrorists.