Worth breaking up over a birthday?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


Op you blew it right there IMO. Why didn't you ask if he has any plans? Maybe he's been hoping for ideas.


Op: to clarify, all I was hoping for is maybe lunch or dinner, as PP stated- nothing extravagant. But per your question, we talked a few weeks ago about things we’ve always wanted to do in the city that we haven’t done yet, and I named 5-6 things (shows, museums, etc).


Are you being purposefully dense? You need to tell him you want to do something WITH HIM for your birthday!! Listing activities you want to do sometimes, but then blowing him off when he says your birthday is coming up?! He keeps bringing up your birthday and you are shooting him down every time! I totally agree the with poster up thread who said you are giving him a clear signal that you do NOT want to celebrate your birthday with him.


Op: I’m not shooting him down at all! And if we don’t do anything but he gets me a gift, I’ll be very happy! For everyone saying I need to TELL HIM, I am trying to find out if we’re compatible long-term. And if he doesn’t do anything, I know we’re not.


OP, if I were a betting women, I would bet that he is going to do something. Did he ask for hotel info since you are out of town? Or perhaps he will give the gift when you return. You two have already discussed that this is important to you, and he is letting you know constantly that he remembers it’s coming up. You fretting about it before it happens to the point of posting is TOO MUCH. If he does absolutely nothing within 72 hours of your return, dump him.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


But why oh why would you just smile and say nothing?! If I were your boyfriend, I would take that to mean you don’t want to do anything and I would think ‘oh crap, she doesn’t want me to do anything for her birthday, I should cancel the XYZ I had planned!’ You had one conversation months ago about how you like a big to do about your birthday, and he keeps bringing it up and you keep shutting it down! You are sending mixed signals and the guy is probably very confused. I do not like celebrating my birthday and if someone brought it up to me, I would definitely just smile and say yes and change the subject. That to me clearly conveys I don’t want to do anything and I don’t want to talk about it!


Agree. OP you really need to communicate when he opens up about this, something along the lines of “birthdays were always a big deal in my family, my favorite was when my dad threw a surprise party for my 20th, I always think it’s fun to celebrate someone’s special day, don’t you, etc etc etc.”
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Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


Op you blew it right there IMO. Why didn't you ask if he has any plans? Maybe he's been hoping for ideas.


Op: to clarify, all I was hoping for is maybe lunch or dinner, as PP stated- nothing extravagant. But per your question, we talked a few weeks ago about things we’ve always wanted to do in the city that we haven’t done yet, and I named 5-6 things (shows, museums, etc).


Are you being purposefully dense? You need to tell him you want to do something WITH HIM for your birthday!! Listing activities you want to do sometimes, but then blowing him off when he says your birthday is coming up?! He keeps bringing up your birthday and you are shooting him down every time! I totally agree the with poster up thread who said you are giving him a clear signal that you do NOT want to celebrate your birthday with him.


Op: I’m not shooting him down at all! And if we don’t do anything but he gets me a gift, I’ll be very happy! For everyone saying I need to TELL HIM, I am trying to find out if we’re compatible long-term. And if he doesn’t do anything, I know we’re not.


Then why in your original post did you say you were “bummed” days before your birthday!?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


Op you blew it right there IMO. Why didn't you ask if he has any plans? Maybe he's been hoping for ideas.


Op: to clarify, all I was hoping for is maybe lunch or dinner, as PP stated- nothing extravagant. But per your question, we talked a few weeks ago about things we’ve always wanted to do in the city that we haven’t done yet, and I named 5-6 things (shows, museums, etc).


Are you being purposefully dense? You need to tell him you want to do something WITH HIM for your birthday!! Listing activities you want to do sometimes, but then blowing him off when he says your birthday is coming up?! He keeps bringing up your birthday and you are shooting him down every time! I totally agree the with poster up thread who said you are giving him a clear signal that you do NOT want to celebrate your birthday with him.


Op: I’m not shooting him down at all! And if we don’t do anything but he gets me a gift, I’ll be very happy! For everyone saying I need to TELL HIM, I am trying to find out if we’re compatible long-term. And if he doesn’t do anything, I know we’re not.


New poster. OP, I'm going to fix this for you, because you didn't quite finish your thought above:

"I'm trying to find out if we're compatible long term. He needs to be able to read my mind if we're going to be a long-term couple. I will dump him if he can't guess what I want, based on hints and my coy way of deflecting when he brings up my birthday. He should WANT to do something for me, should want it so much he can read my 'hints' even if some people would read them as the exact opposite of what I really want!"

He. Cannot. Read. Your. Mind. And you really want him to! If he were "compatible" with you he would just know what you really want! Based on generic talks about things you generally like.

Do you really not understand why this is not mature thinking? And why true compatibility for a real relationship is not at all about birthday celebration plans?

If you would do this over your birthday, heaven help him when the holidays roll around. Why would you intentionally screw up a decent relationship because you are testing him to see if he is psychic?! And that's what you are doing -- testing him. Grown-ups don't do that, OP. They just don't.
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Op, you sound pretty self-centered. Breaking up with someone because the gift is not as good as you like? LOL

Learn to accommodate a little in life and you would be much happier. How many serious relationships you had so far?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


But why oh why would you just smile and say nothing?! If I were your boyfriend, I would take that to mean you don’t want to do anything and I would think ‘oh crap, she doesn’t want me to do anything for her birthday, I should cancel the XYZ I had planned!’ You had one conversation months ago about how you like a big to do about your birthday, and he keeps bringing it up and you keep shutting it down! You are sending mixed signals and the guy is probably very confused. I do not like celebrating my birthday and if someone brought it up to me, I would definitely just smile and say yes and change the subject. That to me clearly conveys I don’t want to do anything and I don’t want to talk about it!


Agree. OP you really need to communicate when he opens up about this, something along the lines of “birthdays were always a big deal in my family, my favorite was when my dad threw a surprise party for my 20th, I always think it’s fun to celebrate someone’s special day, don’t you, etc etc etc.”


No, be even more direct. "I know you know my birthday's coming up. I'd like to celebrate with you. Would you like to have dinner when I get back from the work trip? How about that Sunday night?"

But OP would rather use this as her litmus test to see if he will come up with everything on his own, then to drop him if he does not meet her completely unspoken expectations.

If they do stay together, she'll end up back on DCUM posting in a few years about how her husband never quite gets her birthday right. She'd really like X for their wedding anniversary but he never thinks to do that himself. He won't do certain chores around the house but she shouldn't HAVE to ask him, why can't he just know what she wants? And so on forever.

Unstated expectations help create lasting resentments.

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Anonymous wrote:Op, you sound pretty self-centered. Breaking up with someone because the gift is not as good as you like? LOL

Learn to accommodate a little in life and you would be much happier. How many serious relationships you had so far?


She sounds VERY young and inexperienced.
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Anonymous wrote:Op, you sound pretty self-centered. Breaking up with someone because the gift is not as good as you like? LOL

Learn to accommodate a little in life and you would be much happier. How many serious relationships you had so far?


What? He didn't even get a gift yet and she never said she'd break up with him over a gift.
Anonymous
It sounds to me like he has something planned and he keeps dropping the "somebody's birthday is coming up" comments precisely because he knows it's important to you and he doesn't want you stressing that he's forgotten. I hope I'm right.
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Of course you should break up with him given the totality of the circumstances. In fact if he does nothing—no gift no plan—I think there’s a real chance he is the one testing you. In the alternative he brought up your birthday hoping you would tell him what to do instead of doing the work himself.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


But why oh why would you just smile and say nothing?! If I were your boyfriend, I would take that to mean you don’t want to do anything and I would think ‘oh crap, she doesn’t want me to do anything for her birthday, I should cancel the XYZ I had planned!’ You had one conversation months ago about how you like a big to do about your birthday, and he keeps bringing it up and you keep shutting it down! You are sending mixed signals and the guy is probably very confused. I do not like celebrating my birthday and if someone brought it up to me, I would definitely just smile and say yes and change the subject. That to me clearly conveys I don’t want to do anything and I don’t want to talk about it!


Agree. OP you really need to communicate when he opens up about this, something along the lines of “birthdays were always a big deal in my family, my favorite was when my dad threw a surprise party for my 20th, I always think it’s fun to celebrate someone’s special day, don’t you, etc etc etc.”


No, be even more direct. "I know you know my birthday's coming up. I'd like to celebrate with you. Would you like to have dinner when I get back from the work trip? How about that Sunday night?"

But OP would rather use this as her litmus test to see if he will come up with everything on his own, then to drop him if he does not meet her completely unspoken expectations.

If they do stay together, she'll end up back on DCUM posting in a few years about how her husband never quite gets her birthday right. She'd really like X for their wedding anniversary but he never thinks to do that himself. He won't do certain chores around the house but she shouldn't HAVE to ask him, why can't he just know what she wants? And so on forever.

Unstated expectations help create lasting resentments.



But having her boyfriend do something special for her on her birthday isn't some fringe, unforeseeable expectation that she should have to spell out like that, If she wanted something very specific, by all means, tell the guy you'd like blue hydrangeas and dinner at X Restaurant or whatever, but it sounds like she just wants the kind of guy who will do something - anything - unprompted to mark the occasion. Nothing wrong with that,
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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the people telling you that thing that matters to you doesn’t matter. You get to decide.

Most people on this thread aren't saying OP should disregard things that matter to her. It's not the fact that OP wants to be with someone who will celebrate her on her birthday that's the issue, it's that she's not telling the poor guy this and expects him to somehow magically know by reading her mind because she won't use her words to just say it - even when he raises her birthday in conversation. That's the ridiculous trap-setting expectation everyone's annoyed at OP about.

OP, if what you really mean is you want to be with someone who also by nature thinks birthdays are a big deal like you do, rather than someone who might be more than happy to make sure your birthday is acknowledged because you tell them it's important to you but doesn't intrinsically attach the same importance to birthdays you do, then say so. Because what we've got here right now is failure to communicate.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hope that OP keeps us updated. This is the best will-he-or-won't-he I've read in a while.

For the record, I'm Team OP. She told him it was important to celebrate her birthday. If he drops the ball, they are incompatible. Doesn't matter how any of us celebrate or don't celebrate our birthdays.


OP: thank you We went for a walk last night and grabbed a quick bit to eat and at one point he again said, "someone's birthday's coming up!" and I smiled. But, no mention of any plans for before (it would have to be tonight) or after birthday. Trying to be chill- it's hard!


Op you blew it right there IMO. Why didn't you ask if he has any plans? Maybe he's been hoping for ideas.


Op: to clarify, all I was hoping for is maybe lunch or dinner, as PP stated- nothing extravagant. But per your question, we talked a few weeks ago about things we’ve always wanted to do in the city that we haven’t done yet, and I named 5-6 things (shows, museums, etc).


Are you being purposefully dense? You need to tell him you want to do something WITH HIM for your birthday!! Listing activities you want to do sometimes, but then blowing him off when he says your birthday is coming up?! He keeps bringing up your birthday and you are shooting him down every time! I totally agree the with poster up thread who said you are giving him a clear signal that you do NOT want to celebrate your birthday with him.


Op: I’m not shooting him down at all! And if we don’t do anything but he gets me a gift, I’ll be very happy! For everyone saying I need to TELL HIM, I am trying to find out if we’re compatible long-term. And if he doesn’t do anything, I know we’re not.


New poster. OP, I'm going to fix this for you, because you didn't quite finish your thought above:

"I'm trying to find out if we're compatible long term. He needs to be able to read my mind if we're going to be a long-term couple. I will dump him if he can't guess what I want, based on hints and my coy way of deflecting when he brings up my birthday. He should WANT to do something for me, should want it so much he can read my 'hints' even if some people would read them as the exact opposite of what I really want!"

He. Cannot. Read. Your. Mind. And you really want him to! If he were "compatible" with you he would just know what you really want! Based on generic talks about things you generally like.

Do you really not understand why this is not mature thinking? And why true compatibility for a real relationship is not at all about birthday celebration plans?

If you would do this over your birthday, heaven help him when the holidays roll around. Why would you intentionally screw up a decent relationship because you are testing him to see if he is psychic?! And that's what you are doing -- testing him. Grown-ups don't do that, OP. They just don't.


She wants a guy who TAKES THE INITIATIVE and makes thoughtful gestures during special occasions. She ALREADY told him this. She is allowed to have this very reasonable preference. Heck, even employers expect it of many employees.
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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the people telling you that thing that matters to you doesn’t matter. You get to decide.

Most people on this thread aren't saying OP should disregard things that matter to her. It's not the fact that OP wants to be with someone who will celebrate her on her birthday that's the issue, it's that she's not telling the poor guy this and expects him to somehow magically know by reading her mind because she won't use her words to just say it - even when he raises her birthday in conversation. That's the ridiculous trap-setting expectation everyone's annoyed at OP about.

OP, if what you really mean is you want to be with someone who also by nature thinks birthdays are a big deal like you do, rather than someone who might be more than happy to make sure your birthday is acknowledged because you tell them it's important to you but doesn't intrinsically attach the same importance to birthdays you do, then say so. Because what we've got here right now is failure to communicate.


In a newish relationship, the default should be to acknowledge the partner's birthday in at least some small way (card, gift, drinks or dinner). This is not a DH of 20 years who has learned that you don't care that much about your birthday and are okay with a verbal greeting- that's a very different situation.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ignore the people telling you that thing that matters to you doesn’t matter. You get to decide.

Most people on this thread aren't saying OP should disregard things that matter to her. It's not the fact that OP wants to be with someone who will celebrate her on her birthday that's the issue, it's that she's not telling the poor guy this and expects him to somehow magically know by reading her mind because she won't use her words to just say it - even when he raises her birthday in conversation. That's the ridiculous trap-setting expectation everyone's annoyed at OP about.

OP, if what you really mean is you want to be with someone who also by nature thinks birthdays are a big deal like you do, rather than someone who might be more than happy to make sure your birthday is acknowledged because you tell them it's important to you but doesn't intrinsically attach the same importance to birthdays you do, then say so. Because what we've got here right now is failure to communicate.


I saw that she did tell him birthdays are important to her. Otherwise I would agree with you, but she was clear enough.
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