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Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what are some ways Israel can deal with the Palestinians, taking into consideration that they are not going to stop being violent toward Israel? I am a pacifist and I'm finding myself supporting Israel whole-heartedly because I believe the violent behavior of the Palestinians is unacceptable.
I admire non-violent struggle and change, which is usually done by the underdog. Since Israel is stronger, what non-violent means can they use to deal with the Palestinians, if they continue to launch rockets at them?
I admit I am uneducated and naive but i am asking sincerely. I'd like to hear what people like me think.
Your premise is wrong. They will stop being violent toward Israel when they have their independence. They are under occupation in WB and being starved out with blockades in Gaza.
But let me ask you this. Since the genesis of this conflict was the abduction and killing of three Israeli boys, which we now know to be the act of two people who are not directed by Hamas, what do you think of the Israeli response -- arresting 350 individuals, killing five Palestinians. They shut down entire towns, preventing people from going to work. By day 3 the Deputy Minister of Defense was already talking about military action in Gaza -- notably on the wrong side of the country if you are looking for kidnappers. Charitable organizations were raided, and after eight days the first West Bank resistance began, which was in the form of resisting the military.
Do you think that this is an appropriate response to a triple homicide? To me it looks like collective punishment and a deliberate attempt to provoke a response.
According to this video, Hamas doesn't intend to stop until they kill all the Jews: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/30/Hamas-TV-Muslims-to-exterminate-the-Jews
And on the other end, you have a member of the israeli parlament who said : "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.” "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/
So, I guess unless jews and arabs kill themselves to extermination, we won't have peace
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The virus is not transmitted through coughing and sneezing, or through sitting next to someone on a bus, plane or the like. The idea that the virus can somehow mutate and become more readily transmissible from person to person through coughing or sneezing—those are Hollywood scenarios. The idea that Ebola can become more readily transmissible through casual contact is unrealistic.
The virus is not transmitted through coughing and sneezing, or through sitting next to someone on a bus, plane or the like. The idea that the virus can somehow mutate and become more readily transmissible from person to person through coughing or sneezing—those are Hollywood scenarios. The idea that Ebola can become more readily transmissible through casual contact is unrealistic.
The awful decisions I’ve made to protect my Palestinian children from this war
The most painful question they’ve asked me is a response to our neurotic nighttime habits. One night, I make all three sleep in the same bedroom with us, hoping to increase the odds they’ll survive if a shell hits one of the empty rooms in our house. But then the next night, I’ll separate them, thinking that if I divide my children they won’t all die in an attack. (Unless we’re hit by a half-ton bomb, rather than artillery shell, in which case we’ll all be killed, anyway.)
These are the painful contortions I’d wish on no mother anywhere. Yet mothers throughout Gaza make these decisions every night — and live with the consequences of one ill-fated move. But how am I supposed to answer when Maryam asks, “Why do we sleep somewhere different each night?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/30/the-awful-decisions-ive-made-to-protect-my-palestinian-children-from-this-war/
The most painful question they’ve asked me is a response to our neurotic nighttime habits. One night, I make all three sleep in the same bedroom with us, hoping to increase the odds they’ll survive if a shell hits one of the empty rooms in our house. But then the next night, I’ll separate them, thinking that if I divide my children they won’t all die in an attack. (Unless we’re hit by a half-ton bomb, rather than artillery shell, in which case we’ll all be killed, anyway.)
These are the painful contortions I’d wish on no mother anywhere. Yet mothers throughout Gaza make these decisions every night — and live with the consequences of one ill-fated move. But how am I supposed to answer when Maryam asks, “Why do we sleep somewhere different each night?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/30/the-awful-decisions-ive-made-to-protect-my-palestinian-children-from-this-war/
Anonymous wrote:Muslima's position is that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and needs to give back all of its land. Not sure if she feels that U.S.A needs to return this land to the Native Americans.
Israel is a legal state, but only within the borders allotted to it by the United Nations – the Pre-1967 borders, which existed before Israel started eating away, through terror, colonization, and annexation, at the areas reserved by the United Nations for Palestinians, as well as areas of other countries, such as Syria (the Golan Heights).
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
Israel has lost its damn mind.
No they are just expressing their mind. Israelis is made up of self selected radicals. You do not move to Israel b/c you think it will be fun, you move there to join the Jewish fight. It like a bunch of tea partiers deciding to forming a country in Texas. You will get the most most radical of the radicals, willing to kill.
That's not entirely true. Some of moved for economic reasons or due to prejudice in their original country.
Jeff - I've disagreed with a lot of what you've said on various threads, but I've always recognized that you are well informed and do your research. But not on this one. Your statement is very ill-informed. There are lots (and lots) of reasons why people have been moving to Israel for close to 70 years. To phrase it the way you have makes it sound like it's a either a matter of convenience or because they want to join some religious war. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are plenty of peace-loving Jews who moved to Israel for a lot of reasons that aren't economic, related to prejudice or because they hate palestinians. Comments like yours do a disservice to those people who are a voice of reason that needs to be heard.
I think Jeff used the word "Some" which means an unspecified number or amount of people or things and is different from "All" which refers to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Pope is considered the person who intercedes with God on behalf of mankind.
Catholic here. The above is not accurate, because it makes it sound like Catholics pray to the Pope, and that he in turn prays to God for them. As with other faiths, Catholics pray directly to God. The Pope is considered the spiritual leader of the church, going back to St. Peter. He is not a God or demi-god.
How about confessions? When you confess to the priest, does he intercede for you, if not, what's the idea behind it?
the priest is god's representative on earth because he's taken vows and received advanced theological training.
Only saints can intercede with god. Some people prefer to pray to a saint, who then takes the request to god. Other prefer to pray straight to god. There's no evidence to show if either system works better.
Who determines who the saints are? Were they all from Jesus' time or can you have new ones?
Are we watching the same show? I just saw Fareed Z and a rabbi on the show and everything that was discussed was very Pro-Israel.....
Oh wow!
This was painful to watch. Really sad !
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:How Hamas uses civilians against the Israelis. Make sure to go to the last page for their web trolling propaganda guidance:
http://grid.pjmedia.com/?cmd=view-show-profile-article&id=1934
To this date, there has been no evidence that Hamas uses Palestinian children as Human shields, zero evidence. The only evidence from the UN was that actually Israel was the one using Palestinian children as shields.......
Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.
A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.
It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.
Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.
"Almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted," it said.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620
To deter stone-throwing. I would NEVER have my young children throw stones at soldiers. That is just plain insanity. What normal parent allows that in the first place? That's the problem right there -- using children to provoke soldiers who can't fight back against children. Why don't the adults throw the rocks?
Do you really think in your own right mind, that there is a mother in Gaza who wakes up every day and say hey Abdullah, here's a stone, go throw it at this settler? Really??
Yes, it certainly appears that way.
Honestly, if this is your belief, I mean seriously, you should watch this documentary that was done by Australian Tv, please watch it:
I just want to know how this shooting to civilians can be justified. How do you explain this? Random people on their way to an open market getting shot at? How?
If you come to my house and I throw a rocket at you, the non-violent solution would be for you to leave my house and go home......
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:How Hamas uses civilians against the Israelis. Make sure to go to the last page for their web trolling propaganda guidance:
http://grid.pjmedia.com/?cmd=view-show-profile-article&id=1934
To this date, there has been no evidence that Hamas uses Palestinian children as Human shields, zero evidence. The only evidence from the UN was that actually Israel was the one using Palestinian children as shields.......
Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.
A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.
It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.
Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.
"Almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted," it said.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620
To deter stone-throwing. I would NEVER have my young children throw stones at soldiers. That is just plain insanity. What normal parent allows that in the first place? That's the problem right there -- using children to provoke soldiers who can't fight back against children. Why don't the adults throw the rocks?
Do you really think in your own right mind, that there is a mother in Gaza who wakes up every day and say hey Abdullah, here's a stone, go throw it at this settler? Really??
Anonymous wrote:So if it's pointless to try and boycott Israeli products, how should I "put my Money where my mouth is" and do my little part to feel like I'm offsetting/not contributing? Donations to un Palestinian refugee orgs? I hate that billions of dollars go to support an Israeli govt which oppresses gaza and I want to offset.
Yes, donations to palestinian organizations help a lot. Most of them are not allowed in Gaza though, so you have to do your research to see which ones are present on site in Gaza currently, donating to those will help a lot at least for basic necessities like food, medicine, ect.