I wish parents could be more supportive and less desperate

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Exaclety

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

“I”? Are you applying to college this year?

You said "You", so I just matched that.
That's not the point.

Your child has a lot of advantages.

Again you assume too much.

Noblesse Oblige.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

Exactly, rich people get free points (for example, 40% of Harvard admits = ALDC)

Additionally, Low imcome people get free points. URMs get free points.

It's alwasys the hardworing middle class getting fukced.
System is broken. This is bad for the society and the country.

I have to tell you that you are embarrassing yourself with continuously using such language. Oh, and before you comment, I curse as well so that is not the point I am making here.
You seem to think you are coming across as 'edgy' or "so mad" or whatever but you really are distracting from your argument with every time you post like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Have your kids major in something like teaching or nursing at any public instate school and send them to a cute suburb in Ohio, Pa, Minnesota, Upper New England or the mountain west once they graduate. Have them marry early to be dual income. There they’ve won the game.

heck no. I would never advise to get married early.

+1. 30 or older. Know what the heck you are doing.

Ugh, recipe for a dull life! Not to mention no agency for the person living it.

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Anonymous wrote:The truly secure people I know don’t worry about this nonsense

They send their kids to Clemson, Arkansas, GWU, LSU, SMU, Alabama or Pepperdine where they focus on getting into the best frat or srat. Their kids run circles around yours.

Lol the thought of a Clemson kid running circles around an Ivy kid. The people that are secure in the decisions you name PP are those that KNOW their kids are 3rd tier in the intelligence department. They’re not even the race.

You’ve never met a wealthy person outside of the east coast.

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

If the community has a problem, they need to fix the community.
They need to fix the source of the problem rather than giving them free points.

Let us know when you've either finished your time machine so we can go back and make sure slavery doesn't happen, or when you've made the quality of education in places like SE Dc equal to that of Arlington and MoCo. Then let's have a talk about all those 'free points'.

I can't believe people are blaming slavery for college admissions of kids born in 2004.

DP: Slavery, to Jim Crow, to redlining, to contemporary racism are accumulating factors over time that have impacted and continue to impact experiences and prospects of Black Americans. It impacts generational wealth, presence of lead in neighborhoods and water, quality of schools, test performance. There is a ton of empirical evidence on all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Northwestern. My husband went to Illinois Inst of Technology. Ive been a SAHM for 10 years with part time stints as a CNA, call center CSR and catering server. I repeat, I went to Northwestern 😂😂

Sure, communications major or similar.
No surprise.

What is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

If the community has a problem, they need to fix the community.
They need to fix the source of the problem rather than giving them free points.

Let us know when you've either finished your time machine so we can go back and make sure slavery doesn't happen, or when you've made the quality of education in places like SE Dc equal to that of Arlington and MoCo. Then let's have a talk about all those 'free points'.

I can't believe people are blaming slavery for college admissions of kids born in 2004.

DP: Slavery, to Jim Crow, to redlining, to contemporary racism are accumulating factors over time that have impacted and continue to impact experiences and prospects of Black Americans. It impacts generational wealth, presence of lead in neighborhoods and water, quality of schools, test performance. There is a ton of empirical evidence on all of this.

Hear, hear. I have mixed feelings about the way race is handled in elite admissions (I would prefer more emphasis on SES), but pretending that America has been fair to African Americans since the Civil War ended, or even the end of Jim Crow, is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Exaclety

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

“I”? Are you applying to college this year?

You said "You", so I just matched that.
That's not the point.

Your child has a lot of advantages.

Again you assume too much.

Noblesse Oblige.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

Exactly, rich people get free points (for example, 40% of Harvard admits = ALDC)

Additionally, Low imcome people get free points. URMs get free points.

It's alwasys the hardworing middle class getting [b]fukced.
System is broken. This is bad for the society and the country.[/b]

I have to tell you that you are embarrassing yourself with continuously using such language. Oh, and before you comment, I curse as well so that is not the point I am making here.
You seem to think you are coming across as 'edgy' or "so mad" or whatever but you really are distracting from your argument with every time you post like this.

NP. They're really not. The only deflection was your irrelevant digression from the topic. The PP above you is 100000% spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Exaclety

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

“I”? Are you applying to college this year?

You said "You", so I just matched that.
That's not the point.

Your child has a lot of advantages.

Again you assume too much.

Noblesse Oblige.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

Exactly, rich people get free points (for example, 40% of Harvard admits = ALDC)

Additionally, Low imcome people get free points. URMs get free points.

It's alwasys the hardworing middle class getting [b]fukced.
System is broken. This is bad for the society and the country.[/b]

I have to tell you that you are embarrassing yourself with continuously using such language. Oh, and before you comment, I curse as well so that is not the point I am making here.
You seem to think you are coming across as 'edgy' or "so mad" or whatever but you really are distracting from your argument with every time you post like this.

NP. They're really not. The only deflection was your irrelevant digression from the topic. The PP above you is 100000% spot on.

Low-income URMs are not getting any “advantages.”

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

If the community has a problem, they need to fix the community.
They need to fix the source of the problem rather than giving them free points.

Let us know when you've either finished your time machine so we can go back and make sure slavery doesn't happen, or when you've made the quality of education in places like SE Dc equal to that of Arlington and MoCo. Then let's have a talk about all those 'free points'.

I can't believe people are blaming slavery for college admissions of kids born in 2004.

I can't believe anyone would think the effects of 250 years of slavery followed by another 100 years of Jim Crow could all be erased in 50 years.

Everything was pretty much erased after WW1 and WW2

You're either a troll or incredibly ignorant.

[Anonymous]

The system is definitely screwed up but you, parents, set the tone. Kids don’t need to hear your commentary on good grades/good ECs “so you can get into a good college” from the time they are 12. They don’t need to hear all the things they could or should do to get into a “good school.” And they should not hear you give your opinions on what is or is not a “good school.”

There is a place for everyone and kids will end up in the right places. Lots of lessons to be learned by working hard and being grateful for your opportunities. I think the hysteria over college on this board is parents expecting their kids to match or exceed the “prestige” of whatever school they went to themselves.

Maybe we just had a different perspective seeing our oldest struggle with learning disorder, depression, etc. And just feeling grateful and happy they were able to end up at a good fit and be successful. I learned a lot of the anxiety over the college process was mine, not hers.

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

If the community has a problem, they need to fix the community.
They need to fix the source of the problem rather than giving them free points.

Let us know when you've either finished your time machine so we can go back and make sure slavery doesn't happen, or when you've made the quality of education in places like SE Dc equal to that of Arlington and MoCo. Then let's have a talk about all those 'free points'.

I can't believe people are blaming slavery for college admissions of kids born in 2004.

DP: Slavery, to Jim Crow, to redlining, to contemporary racism are accumulating factors over time that have impacted and continue to impact experiences and prospects of Black Americans. It impacts generational wealth, presence of lead in neighborhoods and water, quality of schools, test performance. There is a ton of empirical evidence on all of this.

How do people not get this?

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

If the community has a problem, they need to fix the community.
They need to fix the source of the problem rather than giving them free points.

Let us know when you've either finished your time machine so we can go back and make sure slavery doesn't happen, or when you've made the quality of education in places like SE Dc equal to that of Arlington and MoCo. Then let's have a talk about all those 'free points'.

I can't believe people are blaming slavery for college admissions of kids born in 2004.

DP: Slavery, to Jim Crow, to redlining, to contemporary racism are accumulating factors over time that have impacted and continue to impact experiences and prospects of Black Americans. It impacts generational wealth, presence of lead in neighborhoods and water, quality of schools, test performance. There is a ton of empirical evidence on all of this.

How do people not get this?

As Jonathan Swift said: “There's none so blind as they that won't see.”

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

No you are assuming too much.
You view the unfair and fuked up system is ok.
That's fine.

It’s unfair, but definitely not to you.

Again you assume too much.

Let me rephrase that: it’s very unfair to kids from SE DC or from rural West Virginia.

Does that fit you?

Don't they get bump up and advantage??

I don't get any advantage.

We are from SE, DC. And I don't mean Capitol Hill, we are east of the river. What is this bump up and advantage? I'm out of the loop.

The person mentioned SE, DC meant low income Blacks.
If you are, you get bonus points in college admissions

Oh yeah. All of those sharp elbowed kids from Anacostia.

(I mean the ones who manage to avoid getting shot by the time they reach 18.)

Hogging all of the slots at Princeton and such.

After you spent ALL of that money on consultants, test prep, and expensive club sports.

I literally overhead a kid on the DC Streetcar yesterday. He was Facetiming a family friend with pride to let them know that he had gotten accepted into Prince George's community college.

According to College Factual, that school's six year graduation rate is 9%.

You people need to get out of your bubble from time to time.

You really do.

I slogged through this whole tedious thread, and your post, especially the bolded, and the sleeper cell post actually made the investment worthwhile. Thank you both.

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Anonymous wrote:big part of it is due to the unfair and fukced up system

That's because you view college as the destination instead of part of the journey. There are many paths to a successful life and going to a T20 school doesn't guaranty any particular outcome.

Maybe I view college as something that we've had to heavily save for over the past two decades. College will be second to our house as far as major purchases go, it will cost more than every vehicle we've ever owned combined. It may not be the destination, but we do very much care about it.

Again, this is a choice you are making. College doesn't have to cost $80,000 per year. Now, of course, if you are going to spend that much, your child should absolutely work hard and make the most of it. But there are other options out there.

This is also part of the problem. You have saved money for it so you feel entitled to it. But that isn't how college admissions works.

Why do you assume 80k a year with that level of savings? Not everyone is rich. Some people have to save like that to afford instate flagships

Well, if they're saving to afford in-state school, then they likely aren't gunning for T20s and putting all that pressure on their kids. In-state schools are achievable for almost all kids. This was kind of what we told DC and she had her sights set on our in-state flagships and its honors college for all of HS and she had a pretty relaxed senior year.

In state flagship is a ton of pressure. In FCPS, you need to graduate near the top of you class to have a chance

Okay, I guess we're in PA, so it's a little different. But each state had tiers of state schools with affordable tuition that almost every kid has a shot at. VA has VCU, JMU, GMU, etc. Plus, some OOS publics and privates will throw money at high stats kids and make COA comparable or lower than the in-state school. The SUNYs are trying to attract OOS students to their system. It's still a less stressful life than shotgunning T20s.