Resentment - impasse over home improvement

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why you cannot do it without husband? It took me 4 years to completely gut and re-do all 4 bathrooms in our house. I just finished my master bathroom and I totally love it. Husband refused to get involved. I am looking at the kitchen now. I gave a an inexpensive face lift 4 years ago, I will start pricing a full remodel next year and planning to gut it out in 2-3 years. Just do it if this is important for you.


In our marriage, we don’t spend five or six figures without the other person’s consent.


Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, why you cannot do it without husband? It took me 4 years to completely gut and re-do all 4 bathrooms in our house. I just finished my master bathroom and I totally love it. Husband refused to get involved. I am looking at the kitchen now. I gave a an inexpensive face lift 4 years ago, I will start pricing a full remodel next year and planning to gut it out in 2-3 years. Just do it if this is important for you.


In our marriage, we don’t spend five or six figures without the other person’s consent.


Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.


Np. Yep. Especially when the rest of the marriage is good.

My Dh had to pay his own way through college working and then also had $$$ student loans. He thinks it builds character and doesn’t want to pay anything towards our kids. I straight up told him I’m putting 8k in a year per kid and he can shove it. I work. If he has any issues with this, I can quit work entirely and see how he misses my paycheck. So far so good! We have a lovely marriage and our kids college is somewhat funded.

Sometimes you know you’re right and you just have to do it. Your spouse won’t admit they’re wrong but also knows deep down that you’re right and they won’t stop it.
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Anonymous wrote:At some point you are going to sell the house and you’d need to upgrade the kitchen and bathrooms to get full value, and not just repainting the cabinets. Many buyers will not want to take on the project so you are limiting the audience. Doing it now will save you money in the long run and you will get to enjoy it. Come up with a redo and timing that is the least disruptive to your living there.


OP here. I know all of this and have said it all repeatedly. Falls on deaf ears. I feel confident that rationale and common sense are on my side. It doesn’t matter - it’s like talking to a brick wall on this subject. He’s perfectly pleasant on other subjects. Funny, a good father. We take vacations, he doesn’t nit pick day to day household spending. But any mention of this and he’s just like “mmm hmmm, that’s nice, but NO.


What does he value? Say NO to whatever it is he wants to buy or do.


Sadly, he values growing numbers on a balance sheet. He wins, I lose. I do work, but he makes way more. I am by far the primary parent though and handle the mental load, the food planning/shopping/prepping and most of the cleaning.


You’ve capitulated way too easily.

Based on what you shared, it IS about the money. He values investing more than a kitchen.

Which is why you need to get a new job, a second job, etc to fund the renovation.


Who will cook, clean and do all the laundry while I’m at my second job? Your idea sounds nice, but I’m pretty stuck unless I want family life to collapse which I don’t.


You are choosing to be a victim. You're not stuck. You could earn more money to pay for it yourself, but you're choosing not to. Own your choices.


We have the money, 20x over. It’s not as though the money only belongs to him.


Then spend it. There is no reason for this post if you believe the above.


I don’t believe it, it’s true.

BUT it wouldn’t solve my issue that it’s really hurtful to me that he doesn’t value at all that this is important to me. It would just be great if he would say “I don’t understand wanting this, but it’s clearly very important to you so I want you to have it. Let’s keep the budget to X.” Or something like that. It would mean everything to me. Doing it to spite him/in spite of him is not what I want.


Then it's time for marriage counseling to get out of this cycle. Because it's no actually about the reno for you. You said in another post that you had $350k in profit for selling a joint property and used the word "denied" when he shot down your proposal to use some of that money for a reno. There's a lot more going on here than a husband that doesn't want to do a renovation.
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Anonymous wrote:I almost posted this in Home Improvement and then changed my mind to relationships. I’m so tired of trying to get DH to agree to a full kitchen remodel (that we can easily afford, in cash.) He wants to do literally nothing at all, but has reluctantly agreed to a “facelift” but keeping our cabinets. It’s not what I want but we’ve been discussing it literally years. I resent him for this but I’m wondering if doing nothing while we argue makes me resent him more. I just worry we will paint the cabinets; new counters, etc and I will just resent that it wasn’t what I wanted.

It’s not going to end there because the bathrooms are in even worse shape. He literally just does not care about how things look. He has alternated between claiming he doesn’t want to spend the money and he doesn’t want to deal with the stress and inconvenience of a remodel. Prior to the rate hikes, he said he’d rather move to a house someone else remodeled than live through one at our house, despite knowing when we bought the house 10 years ago that it was already dated and would eventually need work. Now instead he says things like “maybe we will buy a new house when [youngest] goes to college in 6 years. We are at a complete impasse which suits him just fine because “nothing” is what he wants anyway! I really like our house and street but I really regret buying it - I didn’t see this coming at all, even if I should have.

This just makes me so mad. Like my feelings on the topic are irrelevant. Yes he makes a lot more money than I do but I am the primary parent and am not a frivolous spender. We are pretty frugal with the rest of our lives. No debt except our low mortgage, college fully funded and retirement accounts in great shape. It seems crazy to go to therapy over this and I’ve tried just forcing myself to let it go and not care. I succeed for a few months and then all my feelings come right back.

I feel like I am crazy. What would you do - about the house, about the husband, about my feelings, etc.


The bolded has nothing to do with miscommunication or anxiety over money. He is stringing you along, just like he did when you bought the house with the intention to renovate down the line. You will not buy a new house when your daughter leaves for college.

My DH pulls this shit where he sounds like he is open to something down the line until the time comes to actually do it.

Go to therapy now.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. When really pressed he admits we can “afford it” but states that it’s not something he values. When I point out that I value it and my feelings should matter too, he doesn’t really have anything to say to that. And that’s what hurts I think. It’s like how people say the no vote always wins. And he is almost always the no vote. It’s maddening.


That would frustrate me to no end, OP, I'm sorry.
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I'm kind of like your husband. This whole remodeling thing is such a modern American trend. It doesn't make any real logical sense. Why get rid of perfectly good functional cabinets? It's so environmentally unsustainable. And it is a pain in the butt. And it does cost a lot of money. I get it though - I look at the shiny glossies on the magazine cover and I get a little envious also. But it's not enough to put me over. Also I am at home more than my husband and would need to take the brunt of the stress of dealing with the contractors and having them in the house. DH has always experienced it as something that just magically happens in the background, but I am the one who makes it all happen, and it's a pain.

He now wants to replace all our flooring. He is pretty angry that we haven't gotten it done yet. But, our floors aren't TERRIBLE. Yes, they're worn and splintery in some spots. But again, the thought of the cost, the time, and everything else, makes me not want to do it.
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Anonymous wrote:Needing the latest fashion in a kitchen is weird & wasteful.

What’s weird is living with a broken kitchen when you don’t have to.


Broken and dated are very different things.
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$100,000 is a lot of money!
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Think, op, if you redo the kitchen, will you be happy? My concern is that you won’t be, that you’ll see it as a reminder of all the things your husband didn’t care about.
I think too, this is how some women and I am a woman, turn into toddlers when making a big purchase, we know our husbands will never ever “let” if you will, us modify whatever thing the real estate agent or the car salesman says can “be done later”. We know who we married.
I’m also not sure it’s fair to hold someone to promises they made ten years ago. My husband and I bought a hybrid car back in 2004. We were told that we’d have to replace the battery in 10 years and we were told how much it would cost, a few grand, but since we’d just bought a whole entire car, our first as a married couple, the car we’d hoped to bring our children home from the hospital in, and ten years was a long way away, it wasn’t anything to think about. Ten years later, we had one kid, I was expecting our second and the car had had issues, broke down several times, and we’d moved twice meaning we were no longer near the mechanic who seemed to be the only mechanic who could or would work on the car. The car also didn’t have Bluetooth which wasn’t a problem in 2004, but it became one once we moved to Maryland in 2014. Was I not supposed to move to Maryland because the car wouldn’t like it? Really? Was my husband not supposed to use his phone while he was driving because “you all chose that car way back when, you should have anticipated”. No, the car no longer met our needs, that was all. Oh, and those other issues, the heat didn’t work and we were paying more to “try and fix it” plus the discomfort of no heat, not having a car while it’s in the shop… again, and still having the f**cker break down just as my husband left the shop, the mechanic had fixed the heat, unfortunately, making sure the car could and would successfully drive wasn’t high on his priority list. All this to say, it became clear we simply needed a new car. Also, we did replace the battery, on schedule, the car was in the shop for that too because that’s where it goes when the battery needs to be replaced, and less then a year later, I’d had enough. The car was sold. We by no means got our money’s worth out of the replacement battery, and yes, the car still had issues, broke down with my newborn in it, heat was still an issue.
My husband has some anxiety around money too and maybe some slight autism, all that is fine, I got to a point where I channeled my inner feminist and told him what we were doing.
For you, op, I’d fix the kitchen or if this really isn’t about the kitchen, I’d figure out what it is. Have you told your husband “I’d not care so much about the kitchen, but the little things I want, companionship, experiences I’d like to have with you, whatever, you don’t seem to want to do, but we all use the kitchen, I need to know you care about me, do you want to focus on smaller things, or would you like me to schedule a contractor.
I really do think the real estate agents are too lax about “just renovate” or “just remodel” and they are good at using psychological pressure “You all have to decide” “don’t argue you two, you are such a cute couple” when all us ladies are trying to do is point out to our husbands why we don’t like the house we are looking at. We aren’t fighting, we aren’t mad, we don’t “lack vision”, we simply don’t like the house the dimwit agent is trying to sell us.
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Anonymous wrote:At some point you are going to sell the house and you’d need to upgrade the kitchen and bathrooms to get full value, and not just repainting the cabinets. Many buyers will not want to take on the project so you are limiting the audience. Doing it now will save you money in the long run and you will get to enjoy it. Come up with a redo and timing that is the least disruptive to your living there.


OP here. I know all of this and have said it all repeatedly. Falls on deaf ears. I feel confident that rationale and common sense are on my side. It doesn’t matter - it’s like talking to a brick wall on this subject. He’s perfectly pleasant on other subjects. Funny, a good father. We take vacations, he doesn’t nit pick day to day household spending. But any mention of this and he’s just like “mmm hmmm, that’s nice, but NO.


What does he value? Say NO to whatever it is he wants to buy or do.


Sadly, he values growing numbers on a balance sheet. He wins, I lose. I do work, but he makes way more. I am by far the primary parent though and handle the mental load, the food planning/shopping/prepping and most of the cleaning.


You’ve capitulated way too easily.

Based on what you shared, it IS about the money. He values investing more than a kitchen.

Which is why you need to get a new job, a second job, etc to fund the renovation.


Who will cook, clean and do all the laundry while I’m at my second job? Your idea sounds nice, but I’m pretty stuck unless I want family life to collapse which I don’t.


You are choosing to be a victim. You're not stuck. You could earn more money to pay for it yourself, but you're choosing not to. Own your choices.


We have the money, 20x over. It’s not as though the money only belongs to him.


Then spend it. There is no reason for this post if you believe the above.


I don’t believe it, it’s true.

BUT it wouldn’t solve my issue that it’s really hurtful to me that he doesn’t value at all that this is important to me. It would just be great if he would say “I don’t understand wanting this, but it’s clearly very important to you so I want you to have it. Let’s keep the budget to X.” Or something like that. It would mean everything to me. Doing it to spite him/in spite of him is not what I want.


He did that, when he said to do the refacing. But that isn't good enough. You are, apparently, stuck in the mindset of, "Unless he agrees to a completely new kitchen my feelings don't matter to him!!" That's very middle schooler petulant tantrumy. It seems like couples therapy would be helpful . . . but only if you acknowledge that you *both* have work to do.
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Anonymous wrote:Needing the latest fashion in a kitchen is weird & wasteful.

What’s weird is living with a broken kitchen when you don’t have to.


Broken and dated are very different things.

A crack in the granite is broken, not dated.
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Anonymous wrote: Think, op, if you redo the kitchen, will you be happy? My concern is that you won’t be, that you’ll see it as a reminder of all the things your husband didn’t care about.
I think too, this is how some women and I am a woman, turn into toddlers when making a big purchase, we know our husbands will never ever “let” if you will, us modify whatever thing the real estate agent or the car salesman says can “be done later”. We know who we married.
I’m also not sure it’s fair to hold someone to promises they made ten years ago. My husband and I bought a hybrid car back in 2004. We were told that we’d have to replace the battery in 10 years and we were told how much it would cost, a few grand, but since we’d just bought a whole entire car, our first as a married couple, the car we’d hoped to bring our children home from the hospital in, and ten years was a long way away, it wasn’t anything to think about. Ten years later, we had one kid, I was expecting our second and the car had had issues, broke down several times, and we’d moved twice meaning we were no longer near the mechanic who seemed to be the only mechanic who could or would work on the car. The car also didn’t have Bluetooth which wasn’t a problem in 2004, but it became one once we moved to Maryland in 2014. Was I not supposed to move to Maryland because the car wouldn’t like it? Really? Was my husband not supposed to use his phone while he was driving because “you all chose that car way back when, you should have anticipated”. No, the car no longer met our needs, that was all. Oh, and those other issues, the heat didn’t work and we were paying more to “try and fix it” plus the discomfort of no heat, not having a car while it’s in the shop… again, and still having the f**cker break down just as my husband left the shop, the mechanic had fixed the heat, unfortunately, making sure the car could and would successfully drive wasn’t high on his priority list. All this to say, it became clear we simply needed a new car. Also, we did replace the battery, on schedule, the car was in the shop for that too because that’s where it goes when the battery needs to be replaced, and less then a year later, I’d had enough. The car was sold. We by no means got our money’s worth out of the replacement battery, and yes, the car still had issues, broke down with my newborn in it, heat was still an issue.
My husband has some anxiety around money too and maybe some slight autism, all that is fine, I got to a point where I channeled my inner feminist and told him what we were doing.
For you, op, I’d fix the kitchen or if this really isn’t about the kitchen, I’d figure out what it is. Have you told your husband “I’d not care so much about the kitchen, but the little things I want, companionship, experiences I’d like to have with you, whatever, you don’t seem to want to do, but we all use the kitchen, I need to know you care about me, do you want to focus on smaller things, or would you like me to schedule a contractor.
I really do think the real estate agents are too lax about “just renovate” or “just remodel” and they are good at using psychological pressure “You all have to decide” “don’t argue you two, you are such a cute couple” when all us ladies are trying to do is point out to our husbands why we don’t like the house we are looking at. We aren’t fighting, we aren’t mad, we don’t “lack vision”, we simply don’t like the house the dimwit agent is trying to sell us.

Sometimes it is just about the kitchen. No need to write a novel.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s totally not crazy to go to therapy over this. It’s bothering you deeply and you are at an impasse. Honestly, if I wanted to redo the whole kitchen a facelift would not work for me. It would just make me resent the situation more, especially if I could easily afford the whole redo.


The problem is that you are describing it exactly how he wants you to describe it—an impasse.
But in reality this isn’t an impasse at all. That would imply that neither of you is getting what you want and so you’re stuck. But that’s not what’s happening. He is perfectly happy doing nothing.
You are not.
It’s time for you to assert your desire and spell it out :
Larlo—we have lived in this home for X years and you’ve been very happy with it the way it is. I have been unhappy with the way our kitchen looks and functions, and it’s made me uncomfortable.
And now it’s my turn to be happy in our environment too.
It will be uncomfortable for you for a month or so while the remodeling is happening. And then I am looking forward to both of us really enjoying the new space.”

Then schedule the demolition day and enjoy!
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I know a lot of people that divorce after a remodel. I'd tread carefully and just do what's necessary.
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Anonymous wrote:Needing the latest fashion in a kitchen is weird & wasteful.

What’s weird is living with a broken kitchen when you don’t have to.


Broken and dated are very different things.

A crack in the granite is broken, not dated.


Depends on the crack, obviously.
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