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Anonymous wrote:Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist. He shows up at all kinds of events, award shows, etc. No one seems to remember he raped a young women. It's sad......
Hopefully times have changed and our collective memories will be longer. I hate that celebrities tend to get a free pass for whatever bad behavior they have too.
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Anonymous wrote:Ugh my heart aches for this family. Looking at pictures of this boy in People makes me think of my son. I just want to scoop him up and make it all better.

I can't even fathom what his poor parents are going through.

Nothing in the world will ever bring them peace or closure, but I do hope the investigation helps identify what exactly when wrong that day.


Wow, I would say it all went wrong when somebody cooked up the idea, somebody agreed to build it, and somebody agreed to ride it under the assumption that it was safe despite the obviously unsafe appearance. The poster who said the initial problems were with hoisting the rafts missed the info that the crash Test dummies were decapitated.
what crash test dummies? I thought they used bags of sand.
Anonymous wrote:My mom has a similar spending problem but my dad has financial resources. He is retired and pays all the household expenses, health care, etc. She has a part time job that pays he car payment and spending $. For years my dad has paid off her credit cards and finally realized that if she maxes them out, and her credit stinks, she can't get any more. and it's in her name, not his so he's not responsible for the debt.

I say all this to say, don't sweat it, encourage others to let her keep her secret cards and at some point she won't get anymore credit. Her problem, not yours.
I'm not sure that's true since they're married, is it? I thought assets and debts belonged to both marriage partners equally??
We did them most days. I didn't enjoy them particularly. My step father was a real debbie downer...very pessimistic, you had to sensor every syllable to avoid offending him or being lectured about something, he wasn't very smart which made it particularly grating. I loved it when he worked swing shift and wasn't around but sadly, that wasn't nearly often enough. I think some people just need more down time than others and time away from other people and forcing them to be together when they simply don't want to be is really a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand, I know lots of families for whom family dinners are a really good thing. It's really about the personalities of all the players and overall group dynamics. One grump can really ruin it for everyone if they can't keep their grumpy trap shut.
Oh gosh that's terrible. I have no advice to offer but want to say I think you're a saint for putting up with this and for the help you offer them. Any future help should be in the form of therapy to see if they can get to the bottom of her spending and help her curb it. I'd probably offer no other financial help but I'm not nearly as nice as you are. It's one thing to help someone who really needs and appreciates it, but what you're describing isn't it.
The others all gave good basics and I just want to chime in and say it's pretty easy to learn and it's pretty easy to get good at in a relatively short amount of time. It's not one of those things that takes years of practice like knitting or quilting (for me anyway.) Another fun thing to try when you get the hang of cross stitching is embroidery. I actually like that better since it's a little more free form and more forgiving of errors. Good luck and enjoy.
I haven't had to make a lot of extremely difficult decisions but two of the more difficult ones were to have my cat euthanized (she had breast cancer w/ a tumor on her belly that was growing like crazy, and she had hyperthyroidism that was barely managed w/ the highest dose of meds. Make the decision of when to euthanize was really hard.)

The other was with regard to my preplanning for death. I'm only 43 but I'm single and if I die unexpectedly, and especially if I'm traveling when I die, I didn't want my elderly mother or my siblings to have to try and figure out what to do and how to pay for it. This way the decision making is all done and it's all paid for. I went for the simplest option and will be cremated and interred in an older sister grave. Done. I don't think my mom likes the idea of cremation but I don't like *any* of the options but laying around in a box turning into human soup was particularly unappealing.
Patsy's handwriting was also shown to be unlikely to be a match. John was 5 (meaning no match) and Pasty's was 4-4.5. I really think it was someone who knew john through work or knew the family intimately enough to get around the house, know money details etc. People talk, it's totally possible Patsy mentioned something at one point. Who knows.
Your post underscores why I never wear white! If my period didn't trash those pants, activities of daily living would.
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Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.


Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.


But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.



The flashlight that the investigators found in the kitchen isn't your average flashlight. It was a long-handled MAG light. Made of steel or aluminum - very heavy. I do believe Burke hit JB with the flashlight as she was sitting there, eating her pineapple. The second investigator on Reddit (the one who wrote, "Foreign Faction") also implied that Burke's toy trains were used in the cover-up / staging. Whether she was sexually assaulted with the toy trains () or just physically assaulted, he points to the trains as one primary reason that Burke was never ruled out.


When I google "long handled MAG light" the flashlights that pop up all seem to weigh around 1 pound. Anyone have any idea how much the Ramsey flashlight weighed?
one pound w/o the half dozen D batteries which add another pound or so. Those flashlights are badasses. I can't imagine a scrawny kid being able to swing it with the necessary momentum. I really am not sure if I could either and I played high school softball. That blow was caused by someone who knew what they were doing and did it purposefully.
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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the intruder theory - you left out the part where she wet her bed.


Weirdly enough, I recall reading somewhere that JonBenet's bed linens were not wet. I don't know if that's true or not.

Also the pee on the carpet in the basement.... It must have been pretty darned noticeable for the cops to have noticed it. If JonBenet had peed her bed, would she also have been able to soak the carpet downstairs also?





It's pretty common for the bladder to void upon death. They think she was strangled and died on that carpet. So at that time, she lost control of her bladder. The sheets were apparently soaked with urine. She was changed and had on new underwear and had been washed down. The intruder would have had to have been all over the house, which is highly highly unlikely. He would have had to: get John Benet from the third floor in her room. Get some underwear there maybe? Get some hair ties because she had a new hairdo. He also would have had to mess up her bathroom. He then took her to the kitchen via the stairs, getting decorations in her hair so apparently he's carrying her at a weird angle. Then he fed her pineapple and water without leaving any prints on anything. Wrote a note then or later with things from the house. While Jon Benet was just sitting there waiting to be killed. Seems odd. She was 6. Then, she is bashed in the head. Seems that the experts agreed that was with the flSjlight or possibly a golf club. So, then he carries her down the stairs to the basement. He then has to find the wine cellar. Make a garrote with stuff from the house. Strangle her on the carpet. Then sexually assault her. Then wipe her down. Then change her underwear and put on her wet pajama pants. Also seems that the size 12 underwear came from the basement in a wrapped present because they didn't find any of the rest of the pack in John b's underwear draw. So the intruder would have had to have unwrapped the correct present and hide the rest. Then he got John b's blanket and favorite doll nightie, which had blood on it, from the dryer upstairs. Laid it on her. Found some tape and tapes her mouth after she was dead. Then back up the stairs to lay the note on the bottom of the stairs and then, out the door.

So that sounds unlikely, right?
you're assuming that all of this happened at the same time by the same person. mom could have totally cleaned her up after wetting the bed and intruder could have been lurking in a closet or in the basement and injured her skull after parents were in bed. I think it was someone who knew the dad through work, hence knowing the amount of the bonus, and either had it in for him or was obsessed w/ the little girl. (Or both.)
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That's stupid sorry. The clean up was after the sexual assault. Wiping off the blood. The underwear were clean. The investigators know she was killed on the carpet and urinated on it at that time.
You realize it's possible to disagree with someone without resorting to childish name calling, right? Would you let your kid call someone stupid just because they disagreed with a theory behind a news article even though no one actually knows what really happened? I certainly hope not.
I'm a nanny who can't have kids and your statement wouldn't bother me. I am often asked why I don't have kids of my own (sometimes even in interviews!) and have to explain I tried and can't. I have been surprised to learn how many family's I work for have fertility issues. I had two families say they had just destroyed their leftover embryos and would have given them to me had they known me then. Some people take infertility really hard and others don't. But really, it's OK! Each person's journey is different and being sad for one's own infertility doesn't take away from the joy one feels for someone else's good fortune.
I'm not at all interested in anything the original investigators have to say since they botched the investigation so badly. I am interested in what fresh eyes combined with new technology says and this should be an interesting series.
Anonymous wrote:So an intruder was in that house for hours, up and down three levels, killing, sexually assaulting, possibly feeding pineapple to a 6 year old, writing pages of a ransom note....no one hear a thing and the intruder left no footprints, no fingerprints, no hair, no trace. Just vanished.

Sorry, the intruder theory makes no sense. Never has.
you're forgetting how many people were crawling all over the crime scene and contaminating it. People were coming and going and the police were completely inept at collecting evidence, let alone keeping the crime scene secure. Intruder could have walked right out the front door with all the people milling about. No one would have noticed...especially if it was someone the family knew.
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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the intruder theory - you left out the part where she wet her bed.


Weirdly enough, I recall reading somewhere that JonBenet's bed linens were not wet. I don't know if that's true or not.

Also the pee on the carpet in the basement.... It must have been pretty darned noticeable for the cops to have noticed it. If JonBenet had peed her bed, would she also have been able to soak the carpet downstairs also?





It's pretty common for the bladder to void upon death. They think she was strangled and died on that carpet. So at that time, she lost control of her bladder. The sheets were apparently soaked with urine. She was changed and had on new underwear and had been washed down. The intruder would have had to have been all over the house, which is highly highly unlikely. He would have had to: get John Benet from the third floor in her room. Get some underwear there maybe? Get some hair ties because she had a new hairdo. He also would have had to mess up her bathroom. He then took her to the kitchen via the stairs, getting decorations in her hair so apparently he's carrying her at a weird angle. Then he fed her pineapple and water without leaving any prints on anything. Wrote a note then or later with things from the house. While Jon Benet was just sitting there waiting to be killed. Seems odd. She was 6. Then, she is bashed in the head. Seems that the experts agreed that was with the flSjlight or possibly a golf club. So, then he carries her down the stairs to the basement. He then has to find the wine cellar. Make a garrote with stuff from the house. Strangle her on the carpet. Then sexually assault her. Then wipe her down. Then change her underwear and put on her wet pajama pants. Also seems that the size 12 underwear came from the basement in a wrapped present because they didn't find any of the rest of the pack in John b's underwear draw. So the intruder would have had to have unwrapped the correct present and hide the rest. Then he got John b's blanket and favorite doll nightie, which had blood on it, from the dryer upstairs. Laid it on her. Found some tape and tapes her mouth after she was dead. Then back up the stairs to lay the note on the bottom of the stairs and then, out the door.

So that sounds unlikely, right?
you're assuming that all of this happened at the same time by the same person. mom could have totally cleaned her up after wetting the bed and intruder could have been lurking in a closet or in the basement and injured her skull after parents were in bed. I think it was someone who knew the dad through work, hence knowing the amount of the bonus, and either had it in for him or was obsessed w/ the little girl. (Or both.)
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