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Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.

The flashlight that the investigators found in the kitchen isn't your average flashlight. It was a long-handled MAG light. Made of steel or aluminum - very heavy. I do believe Burke hit JB with the flashlight as she was sitting there, eating her pineapple. The second investigator on Reddit (the one who wrote, "Foreign Faction") also implied that Burke's toy trains were used in the cover-up / staging. Whether she was sexually assaulted with the toy trains () or just physically assaulted, he points to the trains as one primary reason that Burke was never ruled out.

When I google "long handled MAG light" the flashlights that pop up all seem to weigh around 1 pound. Anyone have any idea how much the Ramsey flashlight weighed?

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Anonymous wrote:The autopsy detailed that her head blow was significant enough to knock a grown man down. A little boy and woman would not be able to do that. Also, the garrote was homemade, and my guess is only a man with military knowledge like John would be able to do that. If anything, the Beth Holloway relationship was probably him ingratiating himself intentionally with another victim so he can look like a good guy/innocent parent. Do you think he would be crazy enough to tell her? Of course not. I think Patsy was the only one who knew but she did nothing because she did not want Burke to be alone if his father was imprisoned and she died of cancer. Patsy died from the guilt and the horror of realizing she married a monster. She should have at least reported the molestation. She had to know because she took JB to the pediatrician lots of times for vaginal issues.

Actually all of the investigators on the matter thought either patsy or Burke could have delivered the blow. It's possible with a heavy weapon to inflict that kind of blow even if you're a woman or an almost 10 year old. It's like swinging a baseball bat. Momentum. It's entirely possible that patsy or Burke hit her.

But they suspect that the weapon used was a flashlight. I have a hard time picturing a 9 year old boy swinging a flashlight hard enough to inflict this kind of damage. It's too short a weapon to get the kind of momentum needed to inflict this injury.

I have a hard time imagining a mother crashing a flashlight down hard enough to crack her own child's skull. Ditto the father.

That would have to be a purposeful, direct and powerful blow. And if it happened in the kitchen I would think that the whole house would have heard it.

The flashlight that the investigators found in the kitchen isn't your average flashlight. It was a long-handled MAG light. Made of steel or aluminum - very heavy. I do believe Burke hit JB with the flashlight as she was sitting there, eating her pineapple. The second investigator on Reddit (the one who wrote, "Foreign Faction") also implied that Burke's toy trains were used in the cover-up / staging. Whether she was sexually assaulted with the toy trains () or just physically assaulted, he points to the trains as one primary reason that Burke was never ruled out.

When I google "long handled MAG light" the flashlights that pop up all seem to weigh around 1 pound. Anyone have any idea how much the Ramsey flashlight weighed?

one pound w/o the half dozen D batteries which add another pound or so. Those flashlights are badasses. I can't imagine a scrawny kid being able to swing it with the necessary momentum. I really am not sure if I could either and I played high school softball. That blow was caused by someone who knew what they were doing and did it purposefully.

Anonymous wrote:Also - the autopsy said the blow would have killed her without the strangling ultimately. But how did they know that? I wonder if she slipped right into a coma and they thought she was already dead? Anyone know what happens after a blow like that?

Anonymous wrote:Could the blow have been caused by her being flung into the bathroom? Did they have a porcelain tub or toilet? Was the injury to the side of her head as in her hitting her head or at the top or bottom?

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Anonymous wrote:Also - the autopsy said the blow would have killed her without the strangling ultimately. But how did they know that? I wonder if she slipped right into a coma and they thought she was already dead? Anyone know what happens after a blow like that?

I've read elsewhere that the skull fracture would have eventually been fatal w/o medical attention...meaning, that there was a possibility that she could have been saved if she had been rushed to the hospital right away.

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Anonymous wrote:Also - the autopsy said the blow would have killed her without the strangling ultimately. But how did they know that? I wonder if she slipped right into a coma and they thought she was already dead? Anyone know what happens after a blow like that?

I've read elsewhere that the skull fracture would have eventually been fatal w/o medical attention...meaning, that there was a possibility that she could have been saved if she had been rushed to the hospital right away.

This is exactly my hang up with the whole "Burke did it" theory. If he did and the parents found out, why on Earth would they go about this convoluted cover up rather than immediately seek medical attention for their daughter? Think about it- if your son got pissed and attacked his little sister and you found her unconscious (possibly even thought he killed her), what's the first thing you would do? I'd call 9-1-1. I wouldn't throw my hands up and think "well, she's already a goner. I better cover this up to protect my other kid." No way. Especially not Jon Benet, Patsy's most prized possession.

Either Patsy did it by accident out of anger for wetting the bed or an intruder did it.