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Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Please tell me you are not so ignorant that you think 1400 years ago, arabs int he desert use to cast ballots to voteYou have got to be kidding me! Bai'ah was their way to elect a leader whether you like it or not, whether it is to your satisfaction or not, is quite frankly irrelevant!
You're the one who keeps talking about casting ballots. Don't blame anyone else.
The point is, pledging allegiance is very different from VOTING.
Go and study the history of the Arabs in the desert 1400 hundred years, go and study how tribes operated and how leaders were elected. You must be delusional
You can rant about the Quran, Islam, Muslim for days, it won't make a difference because your rants are based on a false premise. Like Dalia Mogahed said, violent extremists are not religious zealots. They don't claim these verses "made them do it". AlQaeda to ISIS make entirely *political* arguments for their acts of aggression despite the optics of religious posturing. The vast majority of Muslims, who are the true zealots, condemn this violence, despite their anger at US policy, precisely because they believe in the inerrant Devine origin of the Quran. Subscribing to a number of simplistic baselines about Islam and Muslims won't change the current situation, it will definitely not make a difference to ISIS
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Saudi Arabia?? That's the best you can come up with? For your information, I do not think Saudi Arabia is a "Muslim" Country. It is a "muslim-majority" country. The women's rights issues in Saudi Arabia are issues of a nation (of man), not of a religion. Islam commands men to women with the utmost respect, whether or not the laws are followed has nothing to do with the religion itself. Of course, under dictatorship rulings , in most of the Muslim majority countries neither men nor women had the right to vote for a long time. I repeat, Islam gave women the right to vote over 1400 years ago, it is a fact! You are doing a wonderful job confusing ISLAM with MUSLIMS. You think 1400 years ago, people lined up with ballots to cast their votes? How do you think they used to do it back in the day??? Since I don't want us to go on and about for 20 pages about Muslim Women voting rights which of course makes you pause since in your world such oppressed creatures could really not have this right 1400 years ago when in the US we only got that right like in 1920, I will go against my best judgment and try to "enlighten" you because clearly, i want to move on.....
The leader of an Islamic state is confirmed by the people through a process known as bai’ah; a symbolic contract between the leader and the people wherein the leader promises to obey Islamic law and the people, in exchange, promise their allegiance. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 38).
In early Islam women were included in the giving of the bai’ah. Prophet Muhammad received the bai’ah from the people. The Quran addresses the issue of women giving the bai’ah to Prophet Muhammad and God tells Muhammad to accept the pledge of the women. "O Prophet! Whenever believing women come unto thee to pledge their allegiance to thee...then accept their pledge of allegiance." (Quran 60:12). In 645 A.D. (23 A.H.) Umar, the second head of state after the death of Prophet Muhammad, convened a group to determine his successor. One of the group, Abdul Rahman, went to the people to consult with them as to who should be the next leader. Abdul Rahman consulted both women and men, thus women had a say in who would be their leader. Through this process Uthman was selected to succeed Umar. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 43).
Women and Shura
In addition to participation in the electoral process, women have also been involved in political activities. These activities appear to be sanctioned by Islamic law. In Islam, community decisions must be made through a process of consultation (shura). The Quran, in describing the qualifications of true believers, states "...and whose rule in all matters of common concern is consultation among themselves." (Quran 42:38). Muhammad Asad argues that this verse reaches into all aspects of political life and that to fulfill the requirements of this verse, a legislative assembly should be formed. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 44-45. He further argues that the verse refers to the entire community; therefore, the legislative assembly must be representative of the entire community, women and men and that to achieve true representation, the members of the legislative assembly must be elected through free elections with wide suffrage, including both women and men. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 45.
The Quran, sunnah, and Islamic history provide ample evidence of women undertaking various forms of political involvement from the bai’ah to fighting in battles to influencing political decisions.
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
All you brought was what you think Islam should be like. You didn't bring any evidence of what actually happened.
BTW, there is more than one view of how Mr. Uthman came to power. What you brought is just one of them.
Muhammad Asad is a nice guy but at the core he's just another white dude who thought he could tell Muslims how to practice Islam properly. Distinguished life but tossed out by every Muslim country he happened to serve, finished his days in New York.
yehhhhhh, you asked for a source, woman/man whatever you are. Once you get the source , your argument is "you brought what you think Islam should be like" ahhahahaha WELL, the problem is I didn't write this piece, and I did not write the Quran. Really, this is Islam, sorry to burst your bubble! nOW YOU also want evidence, because what i brought wasn't 'evidence" enough ahha, this is why I refused to "educate" you in the first place. See , I don't argue just for the sake of arguments, I have no interest in sterile discussions. I have shown you clear sources that show how muslim women voted 1400 years ago, sorry I couldn't resuscitate the dead bodies of all of those muslim women as evidence so they could bear witness about how they casted ballots way back when #MuslimApologies
Different PP here. Casting ballots, as you call it, is actually very different from pledging fealty to someone who already has power. You are nuts.
Please tell me you are not so ignorant that you think 1400 years ago, arabs int he desert use to cast ballots to vote
You have got to be kidding me! Bai'ah was their way to elect a leader whether you like it or not, whether it is to your satisfaction or not, is quite frankly irrelevant!
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Saudi Arabia?? That's the best you can come up with? For your information, I do not think Saudi Arabia is a "Muslim" Country. It is a "muslim-majority" country. The women's rights issues in Saudi Arabia are issues of a nation (of man), not of a religion. Islam commands men to women with the utmost respect, whether or not the laws are followed has nothing to do with the religion itself. Of course, under dictatorship rulings , in most of the Muslim majority countries neither men nor women had the right to vote for a long time. I repeat, Islam gave women the right to vote over 1400 years ago, it is a fact! You are doing a wonderful job confusing ISLAM with MUSLIMS. You think 1400 years ago, people lined up with ballots to cast their votes? How do you think they used to do it back in the day??? Since I don't want us to go on and about for 20 pages about Muslim Women voting rights which of course makes you pause since in your world such oppressed creatures could really not have this right 1400 years ago when in the US we only got that right like in 1920, I will go against my best judgment and try to "enlighten" you because clearly, i want to move on.....
The leader of an Islamic state is confirmed by the people through a process known as bai’ah; a symbolic contract between the leader and the people wherein the leader promises to obey Islamic law and the people, in exchange, promise their allegiance. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 38).
In early Islam women were included in the giving of the bai’ah. Prophet Muhammad received the bai’ah from the people. The Quran addresses the issue of women giving the bai’ah to Prophet Muhammad and God tells Muhammad to accept the pledge of the women. "O Prophet! Whenever believing women come unto thee to pledge their allegiance to thee...then accept their pledge of allegiance." (Quran 60:12). In 645 A.D. (23 A.H.) Umar, the second head of state after the death of Prophet Muhammad, convened a group to determine his successor. One of the group, Abdul Rahman, went to the people to consult with them as to who should be the next leader. Abdul Rahman consulted both women and men, thus women had a say in who would be their leader. Through this process Uthman was selected to succeed Umar. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 43).
Women and Shura
In addition to participation in the electoral process, women have also been involved in political activities. These activities appear to be sanctioned by Islamic law. In Islam, community decisions must be made through a process of consultation (shura). The Quran, in describing the qualifications of true believers, states "...and whose rule in all matters of common concern is consultation among themselves." (Quran 42:38). Muhammad Asad argues that this verse reaches into all aspects of political life and that to fulfill the requirements of this verse, a legislative assembly should be formed. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 44-45. He further argues that the verse refers to the entire community; therefore, the legislative assembly must be representative of the entire community, women and men and that to achieve true representation, the members of the legislative assembly must be elected through free elections with wide suffrage, including both women and men. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 45.
The Quran, sunnah, and Islamic history provide ample evidence of women undertaking various forms of political involvement from the bai’ah to fighting in battles to influencing political decisions.
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
All you brought was what you think Islam should be like. You didn't bring any evidence of what actually happened.
BTW, there is more than one view of how Mr. Uthman came to power. What you brought is just one of them.
Muhammad Asad is a nice guy but at the core he's just another white dude who thought he could tell Muslims how to practice Islam properly. Distinguished life but tossed out by every Muslim country he happened to serve, finished his days in New York.
yehhhhhh, you asked for a source, woman/man whatever you are. Once you get the source , your argument is "you brought what you think Islam should be like" ahhahahaha WELL, the problem is I didn't write this piece, and I did not write the Quran. Really, this is Islam, sorry to burst your bubble! nOW YOU also want evidence, because what i brought wasn't 'evidence" enough ahha, this is why I refused to "educate" you in the first place. See , I don't argue just for the sake of arguments, I have no interest in sterile discussions. I have shown you clear sources that show how muslim women voted 1400 years ago, sorry I couldn't resuscitate the dead bodies of all of those muslim women as evidence so they could bear witness about how they casted ballots way back when #MuslimApologies
Saudi Arabia?? That's the best you can come up with? For your information, I do not think Saudi Arabia is a "Muslim" Country. It is a "muslim-majority" country. The women's rights issues in Saudi Arabia are issues of a nation (of man), not of a religion. Islam commands men to women with the utmost respect, whether or not the laws are followed has nothing to do with the religion itself. Of course, under dictatorship rulings , in most of the Muslim majority countries neither men nor women had the right to vote for a long time. I repeat, Islam gave women the right to vote over 1400 years ago, it is a fact! You are doing a wonderful job confusing ISLAM with MUSLIMS. You think 1400 years ago, people lined up with ballots to cast their votes? How do you think they used to do it back in the day??? Since I don't want us to go on and about for 20 pages about Muslim Women voting rights which of course makes you pause since in your world such oppressed creatures could really not have this right 1400 years ago when in the US we only got that right like in 1920, I will go against my best judgment and try to "enlighten" you because clearly, i want to move on.....
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
The leader of an Islamic state is confirmed by the people through a process known as bai’ah; a symbolic contract between the leader and the people wherein the leader promises to obey Islamic law and the people, in exchange, promise their allegiance. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 38).
In early Islam women were included in the giving of the bai’ah. Prophet Muhammad received the bai’ah from the people. The Quran addresses the issue of women giving the bai’ah to Prophet Muhammad and God tells Muhammad to accept the pledge of the women. "O Prophet! Whenever believing women come unto thee to pledge their allegiance to thee...then accept their pledge of allegiance." (Quran 60:12). In 645 A.D. (23 A.H.) Umar, the second head of state after the death of Prophet Muhammad, convened a group to determine his successor. One of the group, Abdul Rahman, went to the people to consult with them as to who should be the next leader. Abdul Rahman consulted both women and men, thus women had a say in who would be their leader. Through this process Uthman was selected to succeed Umar. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 43).
Women and Shura
In addition to participation in the electoral process, women have also been involved in political activities. These activities appear to be sanctioned by Islamic law. In Islam, community decisions must be made through a process of consultation (shura). The Quran, in describing the qualifications of true believers, states "...and whose rule in all matters of common concern is consultation among themselves." (Quran 42:38). Muhammad Asad argues that this verse reaches into all aspects of political life and that to fulfill the requirements of this verse, a legislative assembly should be formed. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 44-45. He further argues that the verse refers to the entire community; therefore, the legislative assembly must be representative of the entire community, women and men and that to achieve true representation, the members of the legislative assembly must be elected through free elections with wide suffrage, including both women and men. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 45.
The Quran, sunnah, and Islamic history provide ample evidence of women undertaking various forms of political involvement from the bai’ah to fighting in battles to influencing political decisions.
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
Saudi Arabia?? That's the best you can come up with? For your information, I do not think Saudi Arabia is a "Muslim" Country. It is a "muslim-majority" country. The women's rights issues in Saudi Arabia are issues of a nation (of man), not of a religion. Islam commands men to women with the utmost respect, whether or not the laws are followed has nothing to do with the religion itself. Of course, under dictatorship rulings , in most of the Muslim majority countries neither men nor women had the right to vote for a long time. I repeat, Islam gave women the right to vote over 1400 years ago, it is a fact! You are doing a wonderful job confusing ISLAM with MUSLIMS. You think 1400 years ago, people lined up with ballots to cast their votes? How do you think they used to do it back in the day??? Since I don't want us to go on and about for 20 pages about Muslim Women voting rights which of course makes you pause since in your world such oppressed creatures could really not have this right 1400 years ago when in the US we only got that right like in 1920.....
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
The leader of an Islamic state is confirmed by the people through a process known as bai’ah; a symbolic contract between the leader and the people wherein the leader promises to obey Islamic law and the people, in exchange, promise their allegiance. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 38).
In early Islam women were included in the giving of the bai’ah. Prophet Muhammad received the bai’ah from the people. The Quran addresses the issue of women giving the bai’ah to Prophet Muhammad and God tells Muhammad to accept the pledge of the women. "O Prophet! Whenever believing women come unto thee to pledge their allegiance to thee...then accept their pledge of allegiance." (Quran 60:12). In 645 A.D. (23 A.H.) Umar, the second head of state after the death of Prophet Muhammad, convened a group to determine his successor. One of the group, Abdul Rahman, went to the people to consult with them as to who should be the next leader. Abdul Rahman consulted both women and men, thus women had a say in who would be their leader. Through this process Uthman was selected to succeed Umar. Iqbal, Justice Javid, "The Concept of State in Islam" State, Politics, and Islam (ed. Mumtaz Ahmed, American Trust Publications 1986, p. 43).
Women and Shura
In addition to participation in the electoral process, women have also been involved in political activities. These activities appear to be sanctioned by Islamic law. In Islam, community decisions must be made through a process of consultation (shura). The Quran, in describing the qualifications of true believers, states "...and whose rule in all matters of common concern is consultation among themselves." (Quran 42:38). Muhammad Asad argues that this verse reaches into all aspects of political life and that to fulfill the requirements of this verse, a legislative assembly should be formed. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 44-45. He further argues that the verse refers to the entire community; therefore, the legislative assembly must be representative of the entire community, women and men and that to achieve true representation, the members of the legislative assembly must be elected through free elections with wide suffrage, including both women and men. Muhammad Asad, The Principles of State and Government in Islam, Dar Al-Andalus, 1980, pp. 45.
The Quran, sunnah, and Islamic history provide ample evidence of women undertaking various forms of political involvement from the bai’ah to fighting in battles to influencing political decisions.
Source: http://www.mwlusa.org/topics/rights/polirights.html
On that note, good night!
Anonymous wrote:Wikipedia has a timeline of women's suffrage in Muslim countries.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_first_women's_suffrage_in_majority-Muslim_countries
Oops, nothing before 1900. Some as late as the 2000s.
Who said something about lying?
Too bad Wikipedia wasn't there to count the ballots 1400 years ago
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its Muslims. I'd actually enjoy talking with Muslim posters who were capable of saying, "yes, Islam is different from the West, let me list the ABC ways, but I prefer the Islamic system for XYZ reasons."
Instead, we get these two reactionary fools. They make up total BS (aforesaid granting of voting rights to women 1400 years ago) and then they get all pissy and ugly when challenged to provide evidence.
2 bad you've been downgraded. Welcome to DCU-Muslims 2014
How much do the Saudi's pay you?
You know the money has to stop to stop the Wahabbism extremists.
A lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Are you looking for a job? i need an assistant......
Anonymous wrote:Muslima, these are your choices.
1. Provide proof for your claim that Islam gave women the vote 1400 years ago.
2. Admit you misspoke.
3. Accept that everone will assume you lied.
4.Allow you to live in your ignorance, you deserve it
Your choice.
Here i corrected it for you. Really, I don't want to enlighten you. Everyone will assume i lied, ooohhhhh, let me go hide
Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its Muslims. I'd actually enjoy talking with Muslim posters who were capable of saying, "yes, Islam is different from the West, let me list the ABC ways, but I prefer the Islamic system for XYZ reasons."
Instead, we get these two reactionary fools. They make up total BS (aforesaid granting of voting rights to women 1400 years ago) and then they get all pissy and ugly when challenged to provide evidence.
2 bad you've been downgraded. Welcome to DCU-Muslims 2014
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
Signed,
No, but I knew you were reading, so I brought it down to your level
Let's elevate this again from your childishness: what is the source for your claim that Islam gave voting rights to women? And what is the evidence that it actually happened?
Were the rashidun - any one of them - brought to office as a result of universal vote? Or a decision by a handful of men?
When was the first universal vote in a Muslim-majority country?
You obviously have an Internet connection. Use it. Self-imposed ignorance is markedly offensive to others.
That's not how it works. You made the claim, you bring the evidence.
This is not your Court of Law, Your not-Honor. Your rules don't fly. You want to know, go get educated. I will repeat it again loud and clear : 1400 years ago Islam Gave women the right to vote
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
Signed,
No, but I knew you were reading, so I brought it down to your level
Let's elevate this again from your childishness: what is the source for your claim that Islam gave voting rights to women? And what is the evidence that it actually happened?
Were the rashidun - any one of them - brought to office as a result of universal vote? Or a decision by a handful of men?
When was the first universal vote in a Muslim-majority country?
You obviously have an Internet connection. Use it. Self-imposed ignorance is markedly offensive to others.
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality isWestern equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could
Once more, with feeling. You certainly IMPLIED that rights and responsibilities were equal, when you used the word "equal" for a non-Muslim audience you KNEW VERY WELL would interpret the word differently from a Muslim audience. That's no different from a deliberate deception on your part.
You have only yourself to blame, if it took 20+ pages on women in Islam, across several threads, to get you to the point where you finally said, "what I actually mean by 'equal' is..."
You are dense, go get a drink. Get a cosmo, suits your personality and call Carrie Bradshaw while you're at it, you can have a nice relaxing discussion about women's rights while sipping on your cosmo....
Signed,
A Muslim Woman who is equaled to a Muslim Man
I love, love, love how you always repeat a poster's sane and rational arguments, and then you respond with some insulting gibberish of your own. Do you have any idea how immature and nasty you look?
No, but I knew you were reading, so I brought it down to your level
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:
You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is
Provide proof of Muslim women voting 1400 years ago. Actually, provide proof of anybody Muslim voting 1400 years ago. The majority of Muslim rulers throughout history have not been selected by voting, whether by males or females.
You need a dictionary to tell you what "equal" means. It doesn't mean what you think it does.
Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014
As usual, I'm torn between letting the idiocy of your non-answers and crude insults speak for themselves, and the alternative of hitting "quote" to point out that you obviously have no answer to PP's request that you, you know, prove your assertion that Islam granted voting rights to women 1400 years ago.
I see you and your nasty little sidekick are now just posting insults. Yuck.
Don't be torn.... that's not a good position to be under
I refuse to educate you, so you will have to do that yourself or die in your ignorance
Anonymous wrote:Muslima wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where the hell am I? Is this DC? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of rednecks living in the back woods of Alabama. I am not Muslima, btw.
As a Muslim woman who lived in a Muslim country and who was very active in my local mosques, I have an understanding of how Muslim women think. You guys are ridiculous. You would be hard pressed to find Muslim women who would describe their lives as compared to men as anything other than just AND equal. In their eyes, justice = equality. In their eyes, separate rights does not necessarily mean inequality. A Muslim woman's idea of equality is having rights of equal value as compared to rights afforded to men. Separate rights may still have equal value.
Muslima explained this though she used the term equality. You guys knew full well what she was saying. You just enjoy bashing her because she was bold and proud to identify herself on an otherwise anonymous forum as a Muslim. This is bullying and you know it. Leave her alone and get off this rabid online bashing of a Muslim woman.
You aren't talking to Muslim women. You are talking to majority non-Muslim women.
Secondly, you don't speak for all Muslim women and you have no idea what the totality of them think. Have you met them all? Do you know what ALL of them think? You don't know what a Muslim woman's idea of equality is because there is no such thing as A Muslim Woman. There's women, millions of them, all with their own ideas that don't come out of your little factory.
I have met Muslim women who were distraught by the treatment of courts and judges who wouldn't grant them divorces from their abusive husbands, recommending lots of sabr instead.
I have met Muslim divorced women who kept their new relationships secret out of fear of losing custody of their children if they remarry.
I have met Muslim women and children, both small and grown, shattered by additional marriages their fathers and husbands chose to contract, sometimes in secret from the first families.
I have met Muslim women who had to bribe their drug addict husbands so that they would agree to khul separations.
I have met Muslim women angered by unilateral custody decisions that kept them away from their children, sanctioned by courts.
You don't speak for all Muslim women. You simply have no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries.
You say in one breath, there is no such thing as a Muslim Woman ( thank you for letting me know I don't exist, i had no idea
I guess you are the one who speaks for Muslim women then since she can't and she has no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries, according to you , Wowzeeee! Next time i hear about a Muslim woman in distress, i will make sure to call you at 1-800-anonymous so you can save her life since you have met all these women women who were so angered and abused and needed help. Do you work at a Muslim Women Abuse Anonymous hotline? Geez! You are dense! The other muslim poster and I must live under a rock since we were not aware of all these Islamic abuses done to Muslim women, what a wake up call!!!!!!
Its more like 1-800-GET-OBIG. One toothed, back woods, islamophobe gang.
aahahhaah