4 people dead after gunman opens fire on military recruitment office in TN

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[Post New]07/18/2015 16:54
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Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Members of the military should be allowed to carry concealed personal weapons if they have a valid gun license, including in DC - period. They should be allowed to do this to protect themselves and their families from ongoing, stated threats by Isis.


I agree.

Or be issued a weapon when they check in on post. Or have the officers and NCOs carry when on duty. Or certain commanders and first shirts carry.


They have exhorted their followers ro kill members of the military and their families. They have published their addresses. These people do not all live 'on post'. Some.live next door to you in DC. Think about it. I believe in sensible gun laws. I also believe that under threat, people have the right to prepare to defend themselves.


Until this most recent attack I'd agree with you. But I think they are also targeting feds. Now how do you feel?
[Post New]07/18/2015 16:55
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Horrible.

This was Chattanooga's Fort Hood massacre.

Why hasn't anything been done to prevent these types of attacks??


Like gun restrictions?

[Post New]07/18/2015 20:14
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Members of the military should be allowed to carry concealed personal weapons if they have a valid gun license, including in DC - period. They should be allowed to do this to protect themselves and their families from ongoing, stated threats by Isis.


I agree.

Or be issued a weapon when they check in on post. Or have the officers and NCOs carry when on duty. Or certain commanders and first shirts carry.


They have exhorted their followers ro kill members of the military and their families. They have published their addresses. These people do not all live 'on post'. Some.live next door to you in DC. Think about it. I believe in sensible gun laws. I also believe that under threat, people have the right to prepare to defend themselves.


Until this most recent attack I'd agree with you. But I think they are also targeting feds. Now how do you feel?


I feel like as the spouse of someone in the military, my spouse, children and I are being threatened. Thats how I feel. That may be targeting feds and if they are they should also have the right to protect themselves. Thats how I am feeling today. Scared. No, make that extremely scared after a decade of normal fears (will spouse make it home alive?) this domestic threat is horrible. Help us.
[Post New]07/18/2015 21:37
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Anonymous
"Whosoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, then I have declared war against him."
[Post New]07/18/2015 22:55
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jsteele
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The Washington Post has more information about Abulazeez's background:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chattanooga-shooter-an-aimless-young-man-who-smoked-dope-and-shot-guns/2015/07/18/c213f6a6-2d7d-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html

"The portrait emerging of Abdulazeez isn’t one of a committed Muslim or vengeful jihadist, but rather an aimless young man who came from a troubled home and struggled to hold down a job after college, said friends and law enforcement officials."

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"Abdulazeez had been in and out of treatment for his depression and frequently stopped taking his medication, despite his parents’ pleas for him to continue, said a person close to the family."

Apparently he was a recreational pot smoker as well.
[Post New]07/18/2015 23:21
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Members of the military should be allowed to carry concealed personal weapons if they have a valid gun license, including in DC - period. They should be allowed to do this to protect themselves and their families from ongoing, stated threats by Isis.


I agree.

Or be issued a weapon when they check in on post. Or have the officers and NCOs carry when on duty. Or certain commanders and first shirts carry.


They have exhorted their followers ro kill members of the military and their families. They have published their addresses. These people do not all live 'on post'. Some.live next door to you in DC. Think about it. I believe in sensible gun laws. I also believe that under threat, people have the right to prepare to defend themselves.

So do you think gun sales should be restricted? This guy could buy any gun being sold in this country legally. There has never been a case of a random joe with a gun stopping a terrorist attack. If this guy drove by your house at dinner time and started pumping rounds into you...your guns will be useless.
[Post New]07/18/2015 23:26
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Anonymous wrote:From what the guy wrote on his blog, he was unhappy and wanted to end his life and move on to Paradise. In his blog he sounded like a true believe. The only sure way to go to paradise, and skip over the trial of the grave, is to be killed in Jihad, which is what he probably thought he was doing.



I don't know that much about Islam, and your statement is probably oversimplifying. But your statement makes him sound like an entitled guy who wants to go to the head of the line without putting in his dues -- suicide by jihad instead of living a good life.


Well, in Islam, death in Jihad gets you straight to Jannah and it's guaranteed. You also skip over the trial of the grave. In Islam, if you lead a good life, you still have to go through the trials/fire of the grave and you will be judged by Allah, and if he finds you lacking, you do not get into Jannat, you go to hell.

Thus, the only guaranteed way to Jannah in Islam is death in Jihad.



I think the word you were looking for is "Martyr", but in any case even dying as a martyr doesn't mean you will go "straight" to heaven. And you don't get to kill people and call it jihad thinking that will guarantee you a place in heaven...
[Post New]07/18/2015 23:51
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Members of the military should be allowed to carry concealed personal weapons if they have a valid gun license, including in DC - period. They should be allowed to do this to protect themselves and their families from ongoing, stated threats by Isis.


I agree.

Or be issued a weapon when they check in on post. Or have the officers and NCOs carry when on duty. Or certain commanders and first shirts carry.


They have exhorted their followers ro kill members of the military and their families. They have published their addresses. These people do not all live 'on post'. Some.live next door to you in DC. Think about it. I believe in sensible gun laws. I also believe that under threat, people have the right to prepare to defend themselves.

So do you think gun sales should be restricted? This guy could buy any gun being sold in this country legally. There has never been a case of a random joe with a gun stopping a terrorist attack. If this guy drove by your house at dinner time and started pumping rounds into you...your guns will be useless.


How do you know? Is this a.thought experiment? YES WED LIKE TO be equipped to defend ourselves at dinner. Thanks forthe horrifying I.age and cavalier. Phrasing
[Post New]07/18/2015 23:58
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Members of the military should be allowed to carry concealed personal weapons if they have a valid gun license, including in DC - period. They should be allowed to do this to protect themselves and their families from ongoing, stated threats by Isis.


I agree.

Or be issued a weapon when they check in on post. Or have the officers and NCOs carry when on duty. Or certain commanders and first shirts carry.


They have exhorted their followers ro kill members of the military and their families. They have published their addresses. These people do not all live 'on post'. Some.live next door to you in DC. Think about it. I believe in sensible gun laws. I also believe that under threat, people have the right to prepare to defend themselves.

So do you think gun sales should be restricted? This guy could buy any gun being sold in this country legally. There has never been a case of a random joe with a gun stopping a terrorist attack. If this guy drove by your house at dinner time and started pumping rounds into you...your guns will be useless.


How do you know? Is this a.thought experiment? YES WED LIKE TO be equipped to defend ourselves at dinner. Thanks forthe horrifying I.age and cavalier. Phrasing


I want to add this is a real threat were living. We are mourning people in the marine family today. Your phrasing is disgusting.
[Post New]07/19/2015 13:34
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"The portrait emerging of Abdulazeez isn’t one of a committed Muslim or vengeful jihadist, but rather an aimless young man who came from a troubled home and struggled to hold down a job after college, said friends and law enforcement officials.
He never dated, the friend said.
In a statement, his family said Abdulazeez’s mental illness had contributed to the crime. “For many years, our son suffered from depression. It grieves us beyond belief to know that his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence,” the statement said.
Abdulazeez had been in and out of treatment for his depression and frequently stopped taking his medication, despite his parents’ pleas for him to continue, said a person close to the family."

Source : http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chattanooga-shooter-an-aimless-young-man-who-smoked-dope-and-shot-guns/2015/07/18/c213f6a6-2d7d-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html

What's it like being Muslim? Well, it's hard to find a decent halal pizza place and occasionally there is a hashtag calling for your genocide...
[Post New]07/19/2015 13:51
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Horrible.

This was Chattanooga's Fort Hood massacre.

Why hasn't anything been done to prevent these types of attacks??


Like gun restrictions?



Gun restrictions CAUSED this massacre you idiot!!
[Post New]07/20/2015 10:14
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Anonymous
Muslima wrote:"The portrait emerging of Abdulazeez isn’t one of a committed Muslim or vengeful jihadist, but rather an aimless young man who came from a troubled home and struggled to hold down a job after college, said friends and law enforcement officials.
He never dated, the friend said.
In a statement, his family said Abdulazeez’s mental illness had contributed to the crime. “For many years, our son suffered from depression. It grieves us beyond belief to know that his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence,” the statement said.
Abdulazeez had been in and out of treatment for his depression and frequently stopped taking his medication, despite his parents’ pleas for him to continue, said a person close to the family."

Source : http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chattanooga-shooter-an-aimless-young-man-who-smoked-dope-and-shot-guns/2015/07/18/c213f6a6-2d7d-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html


I read early on that his own father discouraged/stopped him from a promising kickboxing type hobby. Does anyone know more about this or why he would do that? It seems to go against all advice I've ever heard with a long-term depressed young person. You are supposed to encourage sport and social activities I would think.
[Post New]07/20/2015 10:21
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Anonymous
sounds like the "typical" shooter mass-muirderer of our times - a disaffected young man with mental heath issues and easy legal access to guns.

when will our country finally pass sensible gun laws? who has to die to make guns harder to get???
[Post New]07/20/2015 12:11
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Anonymous
Or provide mental health support. What was happening in that end if his family knew he had long term depression? They were middle class, have some resources.
[Post New]07/20/2015 12:43
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jsteele
Site Admin Online
More about the mental health state of Abdulazeez:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chattanooga-shooting-fbi-recovers-gunmans-disturbing-diary/story?id=32558310

"With more than 30 FBI agents due to arrive today in Chattanooga, a diary belonging to the gunman and FBI interviews with his parents paint a picture of a disturbed, suicidal young man using drugs, preparing for bankruptcy and facing an appearance in criminal court, according to a representative of the shooter’ s family.

"Four days after the shooting, the FBI has not found any connection to overseas terrorist groups, but Mohammod Abdulazeez's diary says that as far back as 2013, he wrote about having suicidal thoughts and "becoming a martyr" after losing his job due to his drug use, both prescription and non-prescription drugs, the family representative said."

And for the poster above asking whether the family was doing anything about it:

"The family representative said Abdulazeez's family sought, without success, to get him treatment for his mental illness, and to keep him away from a group of friends with whom he would drink and smoke marijuana."

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