Very pretty, educated and successful 30-something women single or with unattractive and/or unsuccessful men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are being cruel and antagonistic. Those cohorts are often very pretty, still thin, great style, nice hair and makeup, and well put together.

You must be a woman. You have every right to say and feel the way you do. Unfortunately, the men in the dating market think otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

If the wealthy men using the dating service want to become dads, especially after accounting for _ years of courting, they likely see women north of 30 and especially those approaching 35 as non-starters. Wealthy men likely see their friends going through IVF struggles and want no part of it.

[Anonymous]

The other part of the Stepford wives that never made sense was that these men who had no social skills or looks would somehow have made the money they did. It's a dream that men can somehow achieve high monetary status without actually being agreeable themselves, hardworking, and good looking.

So now we have these types of men marrying women and then I guess later having a midlife crisis and cheating and the hotter men playing the field and then dating younger women for fun.

Meanwhile all the other countries are just laughing at our immaturity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are being cruel and antagonistic. Those cohorts are often very pretty, still thin, great style, nice hair and makeup, and well put together.

You must be a woman. You have every right to say and feel the way you do. Unfortunately, the men in the dating market think otherwise.

Or there's just a shortage of successful AND handsome men out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you a woman? All men between the age of 18 and 65 want the same thing, regardless of income or education. They want a woman who is hot, stunning, beautiful, kind, and has a good personality, in that order.

They didn't used to. People used to marry real people. First off Hot, stunning, and beautiful are the same thing. Kind and good personality also probably mean the same thing to the person who wrote this. So basically, it is saying men these days want people who are good looking, good in bed, and don't disagree. In other words, inhuman. Despite them being human themselves. They made a movie about this called the Stepford Wives. They killed the woman and created robot women.

It would also be shallow if there was a dating service for women to only pick 45-year-old hot men who made millions that they would just hand over with no disagreements either. It's just shallow. Most men want to be able to have flaws as well as assets and want to be real people who have capacity to make money but also have loyalty when times are hard and aren't being used for it.

The more I go on this site, the more I want to move to another country that doesn't have exposure to the internet making everyone believe they have to be all of these things but not human.

Nobody here said that personality is not important but unless a woman is hot, a rich man will not bother to find out about her personality.  It is like applying for a job, you might have all the qualifications but if your resume does not pass HR, in most cases, you're likely not get the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

If the wealthy men using the dating service want to become dads, especially after accounting for _ years of courting, they likely see women north of 30 and especially those approaching 35 as non-starters. Wealthy men likely see their friends going through IVF struggles and want no part of it.

It's like $20k for IVF and it's the least of the issues in raising a child. Men are just too dumb on raising children to understand this. These men could have just met a woman and settled down themselves by age 35. How many years do men need to play in this country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you a woman? All men between the age of 18 and 65 want the same thing, regardless of income or education. They want a woman who is hot, stunning, beautiful, kind, and has a good personality, in that order.

They didn't used to. People used to marry real people. First off Hot, stunning, and beautiful are the same thing. Kind and good personality also probably mean the same thing to the person who wrote this. So basically, it is saying men these days want people who are good looking, good in bed, and don't disagree. In other words, inhuman. Despite them being human themselves. They made a movie about this called the Stepford Wives. They killed the woman and created robot women.

It would also be shallow if there was a dating service for women to only pick 45-year-old hot men who made millions that they would just hand over with no disagreements either. It's just shallow. Most men want to be able to have flaws as well as assets and want to be real people who have capacity to make money but also have loyalty when times are hard and aren't being used for it.

The more I go on this site, the more I want to move to another country that doesn't have exposure to the internet making everyone believe they have to be all of these things but not human.

Nobody here said that personality is not important but unless a woman is hot, a rich man will not bother to find out about her personality.  It is like applying for a job, you might have all the qualifications but if your resume does not pass HR, in most cases, you're likely not get the job.

There are very few rich men. Why are we talking about them when we are talking about men that have no looks or skills or money?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter hosted a gathering this weekend. She and her friends are all 30 to 35 years old. This may sound terrible but I couldn’t help but notice how many of her stunning lifelong friends were either long-term single or their male companions (husbands, fiancés, and live-in boyfriends) were optics mismatches and also, many of them didn’t seem to have a lot going on professionally. I’m not just saying this because I’ve known them for so long. My daughter’s friends are very attractive, very sporty lifestyles, most have two degrees, and they are successful professionally. I’m sorry for noticing, but most of the men they were with just were not handsome at all. Even my husband noticed and he never makes comments like that.

Is this reflective of how challenging it is out there for women my daughter’s age?

Yes.
I know dozens of beautiful, charming, fit, educated and successful women who are single or with men who are some combination of unemployed/ugly/obese/horrible.
I only know one woman who is married to a man who I'd say is a catch, and she's probably the ugliest woman I know.

Why? Where are the handsome and successful men? I went to a large university full of smart handsome men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

If the wealthy men using the dating service want to become dads, especially after accounting for _ years of courting, they likely see women north of 30 and especially those approaching 35 as non-starters. Wealthy men likely see their friends going through IVF struggles and want no part of it.

It's like $20k for IVF and it's the least of the issues in raising a child. Men are just too dumb on raising children to understand this. These men could have just met a woman and settled down themselves by age 35. How many years do men need to play in this country?

Have you actually gone through IVF? It is grueling and does not always work. It often leads to health complications with the mother or the child more. You can not blame (wealthy) men for trying to avoid it. Especially if the men desire more than one child, getting with a woman who likely needs IVF is not a wise choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife always thought all of her girlfriends from high school and college were beautiful. Which is nice. Really really nice.

But they weren’t.

exactly!

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are being cruel and antagonistic. Those cohorts are often very pretty, still thin, great style, nice hair and makeup, and well put together.

You must be a woman. You have every right to say and feel the way you do. Unfortunately, the men in the dating market think otherwise.

Or there's just a shortage of successful AND handsome men out there.

Or women really misjudge the attractiveness of other women. My DW regularly overestimates how the attractiveness of her own friends.

[Anonymous]

When I was in my late teens/ early 20’s I wanted the hot guy and given I was pretty hot myself I did just fine. But, by my mid-20’s I realized I really wanted someone like dear old dad. Good looking, smart, fun, loving and giving and I was lucky to find that guy. Most of the former hot guys have not amounted to much and the hotness has definitely faded as middle age set in. My husband has aged very well and he looks pretty hot at 52. My hotness has faded somewhat but my husband still has the hots for me so I can’t complain but I’d do miss my bikini wearing days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not trying to be a jerk here, but this is the future for women in DC and many other large metropolitan areas. This is very common and, frankly, accepted in DC these days. Scrubby dudes with great ladies is the norm. A guy who loves video games and is a college dropout with a half-assed job can easily bag a 9 here in DC.

I must be butt ugly then because I was making $300-400k a year in my early 30’s a few years ago and barely got any matches on the apps (no longer single thankfully, I found someone great but it took a while)

[Anonymous]

Um, maybe people in your daughter’s generation are less judgy, petty, and concerned with surface level things such as appearance? Maybe social status is not as important to them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

Yeah Larry Ellison and Leo Decaprio are definitely dating 20 something’s because they can’t get a woman in her 30’s!