Very pretty, educated and successful 30-something women single or with unattractive and/or unsuccessful men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter hosted a gathering this weekend. She and her friends are all 30 to 35 years old. This may sound terrible but I couldn’t help but notice how many of her stunning lifelong friends were either long-term single or their male companions (husbands, fiancés, and live-in boyfriends) were optics mismatches and also, many of them didn’t seem to have a lot going on professionally. I’m not just saying this because I’ve known them for so long. My daughter’s friends are very attractive, very sporty lifestyles, most have two degrees, and they are successful professionally. I’m sorry for noticing, but most of the men they were with just were not handsome at all. Even my husband noticed and he never makes comments like that.

Is this reflective of how challenging it is out there for women my daughter’s age?

It’s reflective of why most women date other women these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we assuming that most women are good looking, stable and successful while most men aren't?

Because it's reality. Close to 8 million men quiet quitting the workplace despite so many companies desperate for workers. Maybe they are good looking but can't support a family.

[Anonymous]

25% of young men not even working. Why would that be enticing to a woman? Who are the people supporting these men and their "personal growth"?

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/most-chilling-metric-mike-rowe-150000193.html

The Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank also found that 25% of prime age Americans aren’t currently working — and while some say they’re looking for jobs, but can’t find any, others are actively choosing not to join the job hunt. The report points to reasons like caregiving for an elderly parent or child, health-related concerns, retiring early, going to school or joining the military.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce surveyed Americans who lost their jobs during the pandemic and about a quarter said federal aid incentivized them to not actively look for work, while about half aren’t willing to take jobs that don’t offer the option of remote work. Over a third of younger respondents said they were focusing on learning new skills and prioritizing their personal growth before re-entering the labor force.

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I'm curious how this matches up with our rival China. There, the percentage of men to women is much higher because of their one child policy they had years back. They can't be as picky about their women because fewer Chinese women exist. Are they working more while the US men are playing video games and lamenting that they don't have a girlfriend who is a model?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter hosted a gathering this weekend. She and her friends are all 30 to 35 years old. This may sound terrible but I couldn’t help but notice how many of her stunning lifelong friends were either long-term single or their male companions (husbands, fiancés, and live-in boyfriends) were optics mismatches and also, many of them didn’t seem to have a lot going on professionally. I’m not just saying this because I’ve known them for so long. My daughter’s friends are very attractive, very sporty lifestyles, most have two degrees, and they are successful professionally. I’m sorry for noticing, but most of the men they were with just were not handsome at all. Even my husband noticed and he never makes comments like that.

Is this reflective of how challenging it is out there for women my daughter’s age?

My son hosted a gathering this weekend. He and his friends are all 30 to 35 years old. This may sound terrible but I couldn’t help but notice how many of his stunning lifelong friends were either long-term single or their female companions (wifes, fiancés, and live-in girlfriends) were optics mismatches and also, many of them didn’t seem to have a lot going on professionally. I’m not just saying this because I’ve known them for so long. My son’s friends are very attractive, very sporty lifestyles, most have two degrees, and they are successful professionally. I’m sorry for noticing, but most of the women they were with just were not pretty at all. Even my husband noticed and he never makes comments like that.

Is this reflective of how challenging it is out there for men my son’s age?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

How do you know he's a loser?

Because he’s dating a younger woman with no agency, duh.

No agency? People like you really don’t respect young people.

[Anonymous]

I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe OP.

Mid-30s the top tier men are either married and fathers or soon-to-be fathers or dating younger.

The relatively good looking divorced dads of means are dating much younger women. 40-yr old neighbor, dad of two young boys, moved in when he and his (successful, pretty, same-age-as-him) wife separated. Within 6 months he had a 25 year-old girlfriend who clearly thought he hung the moon. The 25-yr old (who doesn't even seem to have a job) has since moved in. A 35-yr old would know this guy doesn't hang the moon, and he knows it. He isn't picking the young dummy because she's pretty, he's picking her because he knows that deep down he's a loser and older women would sniff it out quickly.

So there's that phenomenon going on. Divorced men dating 20-something women because they know the 30-something women wouldn't want them anyway (or they at least fear this).

How do you know he's a loser?

Because he’s dating a younger woman with no agency, duh.

No agency? People like you really don’t respect young people.

What agency should we respect of this person who has no skills other than sexual ones?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

Are you a woman? All men between the age of 18 and 65 want the same thing, regardless of income or education. They want a woman who is hot, stunning, beautiful, kind, and has a good personality, in that order.

[Anonymous]

It’s pretty simple. The good looking guys are still playing the field and/or dating younger. A man in his early 30’s is likely in his prime. Add good looks and there may be very little reason for him to date his age. Really only 20% of guys are “attractive” by our typical Standards. I read some where that the top 1% of guys has over a 100 sexual partners in their life.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it’s that when these 30 somethings were in their 20’s they had unrealistic aspirations for Mr. Right and now all of the “almost Mr. Rights” are off the market let alone the Mr. Rights. You never want to just settle but if you set the bar so high you may never reach it.

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Anonymous wrote:* It is statistically improbable that a majority of or all of “gathering” of women in their early to mid 30s were “stunning”.

* It is statistically improbable that your daughter’s friendship group consists of women where a majority of or all of them are “stunning”.

* It is statistically improbable that any group of women where a majority holds two degrees that many of them are “stunning”.

* It is statistically improbable that a group of women that are “stunning” will find women within the group that are long term single.

* without knowing the “successful” profession(s) in which these women find themselves in, it is unlikely (though possible) that these women are “stunning”.

* It is statistically improbable that a group of women who are “stunning find themselves paired off with chumps.

I believe you that the men that they were paired with were less masculine. Especially given that from what you have told us, this group of women is very likely left-leaning politically. People aren’t dating across political lines any more and I suspect that the guys you would find to be more conventionally masculine are on the other side of the political aisle.

Certainly improbable for median American women, but not improbable for:

Upper middle class to wealthy upbringings, high school student-athletes, selective sorority sisters, college educated, advanced degrees, spin yoga pilates runners, reside in a healthy city, good jobs, healthy eaters, low or no cigarette drug and alcohol use.

Np. Even among these cohorts, by age 30-35, the women in this area look old. Aging is normal and shouldn't affect how others perceive their beauty, but we all know it does, and women are even more so affected by this bias.

You are being cruel and antagonistic. Those cohorts are often very pretty, still thin, great style, nice hair and makeup, and well put together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for a very expensive dating service in Los Angeles, no app and through referral only. 99.9% of the men using this service are very wealthy and all of them want stunning women in their 20's. None of the women in the dating pool is over 30 years old. These men neither care about the woman's money or the MBA. As long as the woman is educated, does not have to be an Ivy education, a state degree is good enough. And being nice.

Very sad that even money can't make a mature person.

Are you a woman? All men between the age of 18 and 65 want the same thing, regardless of income or education. They want a woman who is hot, stunning, beautiful, kind, and has a good personality, in that order.

They didn't used to. People used to marry real people. First off Hot, stunning, and beautiful are the same thing. Kind and good personality also probably mean the same thing to the person who wrote this. So basically, it is saying men these days want people who are good looking, good in bed, and don't disagree. In other words, inhuman. Despite them being human themselves. They made a movie about this called the Stepford Wives. They killed the woman and created robot women.

It would also be shallow if there was a dating service for women to only pick 45-year-old hot men who made millions that they would just hand over with no disagreements either. It's just shallow. Most men want to be able to have flaws as well as assets and want to be real people who have capacity to make money but also have loyalty when times are hard and aren't being used for it.

The more I go on this site, the more I want to move to another country that doesn't have exposure to the internet making everyone believe they have to be all of these things but not human.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the homely duds are legends in the sack and all your DD’s friends are using them for sex

That’s not important to women. Reading through DCUM most single women who date wait 6-8 months to have sex. More likely the dudes are extremely wealthy and OP can not tell. There is no other way they would be with these attractive women. Now the real question is if the men have money what are they doing in DC? DC is known for unattractive boring men and women.

Who said the gathering was in the District?