s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

And I should add that Asians make up far more than 18% at Ivys. It’s closer to 30% and at MIT and CMU it’s at least 50 % if not more.

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Anonymous wrote:This must be verified somehow. My dad tells the story of how he had admission rescinded 45 years ago after check “Native American” in a brain fart (he claims he read “American”.

That was 1979. Surely they review things even more strictly now.

well, today, you can put "female" even if you are really male, and vice versa, so why not your race.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

And I should add that Asians make up far more than 18% at Ivys. It’s closer to 30% and at MIT and CMU it’s at least 50 % if not more.

That just tells you how many qualified Asians there are, so they should be "over represented".

[Anonymous]

How about this?

Don't cheat.

Don't teach your kids to cheat.

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be surprised if people were doing this in any widespread way. The consequences are so severe – it could really destroy your future completely if discovered – and would be hugely embarrassing. All this data will eventually be fairly easy to find, and at any point in the future if it’s revealed that you misrepresented your identity to get into college, you could lose your degree, lose your chances of getting into a different college, and have this hanging over your head and potentially available on the Internet for the rest of your life.

Really? No one bothered to check Sen. Warren’s claim to be Native American until she ran for Senate. Harvard put it in a university publication as fact without checking. She’s a very fair-skinned blonde. Issues around race in this country are so sensitive that no one will question it unless they had proof to the contrary, which they will not.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Get in line, baby. I remember the reverse discrimination lawsuit filed by a woman against U Mich. at the same time I was applying to college. I was experiencing the same thing at my high school.

What's changed is now universities are openly saying they want URMS and first gens and no legacies. They went test optional to drive up the numbers of URMS in their incoming classes which aren't even representative of the demographics for the US. They are way out of line. So today's high achieving Applicants are suffering from the prior years/generations of admitting less even though they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Test Optional baby!

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Get higher test scores and submit them. Problem solved.

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What is the minimum percentage Hispanic one can be and claim Hispanic on their applications?

Serious question does anyone have an official answer?

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

DP: might you be an anti-Asian Jew? What previous PP is saying, be it 12 or 25%, is esentially correct. Jews are "overrepresented" if you use the same racial thinking applied to Asians, and it is deeply unfair (and deeply surprising) that you seem to support that the same injustice done to Jews historically now be done to Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no verification for race when you register your child for school in k-12. Anyone can check the black or Hispanic box when you register your child and the school must accept it. Or you can go into the school office at any time and change your child’s race in the front office. Seems like the school must accept it at face value.

I don’t know why more parents don’t realize this.

Perhaps people realize it but have a sense of decency and ethics?

Anthropology 101: We all evolved out of Africa.

This makes anyone an African-American just by choosing.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

DP: might you be an anti-Asian Jew? What previous PP is saying, be it 12 or 25%, is esentially correct. Jews are "overrepresented" if you use the same racial thinking applied to Asians, and it is deeply unfair (and deeply surprising) that you seem to support that the same injustice done to Jews historically now be done to Asians.

I don’t support discrimination against anyone based on their race or religion or anything else for that matter. And I know many Asians feel, whether rightly or wrongly, that they are held to a higher standard. But if you want to have an honest discussion about the issue, you need to be honest about the facts. Asians are what, 5-6% of the US population. They make-up over 25% of the student body at almost every top 20 school. And at some of those schools, such as MIT and CMU, they are over half the population. Jews, on the other hand, are 5% or less of the student body at MIT and CMU. CMU doesn’t even have it’s own Hillel anymore— they have to share one with Pitt. And I will add, CMU is only 22% white.
I understand why Asians who don’t get into their top choice of school are upset, especially when they have great credentials. But it’s not exactly fair to say they are being uniformly discriminated against when they are accepted in such high numbers. Just because a student, whether Asian, Jewish, or something else, has perfect grades, test scores, great ECs, etc., doesn’t mean they “deserve” admission. These schools can fill their classes many times over with “perfect” candidates. And I assure you, I know just as many Jews who were “perfect” candidates yet were denied admissions as you do Asians. The admissions office is looking at a whole host of things, including letters of recommendation, essays, etc. You have no idea how each of these “perfect” candidates look when looking at the larger picture. Maybe some write crappy essays. Others might get mediocre teacher recommendations. And some might have ECs that the admissions committee sees through.
And, whether you like it or not, schools don’t want their entire population to be homogeneous. They want diversity in race, religion, gender, socio economic status, etc. So no, they do not want 100% of their student body to be Asian. And nor should they. And nor should any Asian American want to send their kid to a school in the US that is 100% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

You are right - it's 28% for all the Ivy schools not 25% for Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

And I should add that Asians make up far more than 18% at Ivys. It’s closer to 30% and at MIT and CMU it’s at least 50 % if not more.

You are right, Asian Americans make up 18.4% of all the Ivy universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You’re fretting and overstating the importance of this. When it comes to diversity outreach, the main focus is now and long has been on African Americans. As it should be, since this country has screwed them over in unimaginable ways for hundreds of years. All of this other stuff is just noise. None of you is being denied anything.

Once the liberals opened the Pandora’s Box of racial spoils there was no putting the troubles back in. They said “this race should get this and that because reasons” and the obvious and predictable consequence was other races trying to see what they could also get, because reasons. You can try and dismiss everyone else and tell them to shut up but it’s not going to happen.

Colleges should require high-re pictures and conduct detailed analysis of skin pigmentation to root out this unethical behavior.

But as we know, the American rule is “just one drop” makes you diverse, and this cannot necessarily be detected by photos. Everyone will have to submit a detailed genealogy going back many generations!

I'm Asian but 23 and me says I have African and Native American "drops".

I think I'll apply the one drop rule for my family too. Oh wait, they'll say that a black person's one drop caused discrimination against their ancestors so race based affirmative action in 2022 is some sort of absolution of sin type of redemption.

And the discrimination against my kids in 2022 is all in my head.

Your ignorance is appalling. The “one drop of blood” doctrine is not about diversity. It was the doctrine in Jim Crow America that the oppressive restrictions on Black people should also apply to mixed race people.

You’ve demonstrated that you really are too ignorant to opine about race in America.

See bolded. You've demonstrated you lack reading comprehension skills.

Two, I couldn’t make heads or tails of that word salad. If you think that demonstrates poor reading comprehension, then bless your heart.

I was responding to the posted who wrote “ the American rule is “just one drop” makes you diverse.” In fact, the people who invented that concept were t concerned about diversity but so called “racial purity.” They believed that “one drop” meant you could be denied the vote, denied due process, denied education, denied health care, denied housing, unlawfully detained, or lynched with no repercussions whatsoever for your murderers.

Today, the same people who suffered those indignities are still systematically discriminated against in policing (according to a raft of studies funded by police departments), systematically discriminated against by the courts (according to multiple studies funded by top law schools), discriminated against in education, and discriminated against in lending (e.g. Bank of America - whose executives famously joked in 2009 that they made “junk loans to mud people” and who are back in the news again for racial discrimination in 2022). The people who suffered those indignities are locked up for years for talking meanly to police officers (Brittany Martin) while whites who literally tried to overthrow democracy get a few weeks in jail.

But lots of posters on this forum are mad that little Johnny will need to go to a #20 school instead of #19 because (they imagine) of URM admits. They think this is FAR more important than 400 years of ongoing genocide and brutal oppression. Honestly, I’m praying for y’all.

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

And I should add that Asians make up far more than 18% at Ivys. It’s closer to 30% and at MIT and CMU it’s at least 50 % if not more.

You are right, Asian Americans make up 18.4% of all the Ivy universities.

And that is only because the "Harvard" discrimination lawsuit was filed about 11 years ago and Harvard and other Ivy universities slowly but sure increased % of admitted Asian Americans in response to the lawsuit.

The other poster does not address how it is fair for Jews to be 12 times to 25 times more over-represented than the population % is fine and dandy and changes the subject to MIT/CMU but it is horrible that Asian Americans are over-represented by about 3 to 3.5 times over-represented so Asians should shut up about it.