s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

Whites check "Hispanic" and Indians check "Black".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Evidence please.

[Anonymous]

I don't think this is as wide spread as some are suggesting. If people are lying, then they are just pathetic. Imagine the stress and fear those students will live under if they are ever caught..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You’re fretting and overstating the importance of this. When it comes to diversity outreach, the main focus is now and long has been on African Americans. As it should be, since this country has screwed them over in unimaginable ways for hundreds of years. All of this other stuff is just noise. None of you is being denied anything.

Once the liberals opened the Pandora’s Box of racial spoils there was no putting the troubles back in. They said “this race should get this and that because reasons” and the obvious and predictable consequence was other races trying to see what they could also get, because reasons. You can try and dismiss everyone else and tell them to shut up but it’s not going to happen.

As long as you keep winning it’s all good, isn’t it honkey?

[Anonymous]

I would be surprised if people were doing this in any widespread way. The consequences are so severe – it could really destroy your future completely if discovered – and would be hugely embarrassing. All this data will eventually be fairly easy to find, and at any point in the future if it’s revealed that you misrepresented your identity to get into college, you could lose your degree, lose your chances of getting into a different college, and have this hanging over your head and potentially available on the Internet for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

They can be white and Hispanic. White is a race and Hispanic is an ethnicity. Your kids can be marked as Hispanic because they are. They would be eligible for scholarships for Hispanic students.

[Anonymous]

This must be verified somehow. My dad tells the story of how he had admission rescinded 45 years ago after check “Native American” in a brain fart (he claims he read “American”.

That was 1979. Surely they review things even more strictly now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

They can be white and Hispanic. White is a race and Hispanic is an ethnicity. Your kids can be marked as Hispanic because they are. They would be eligible for scholarships for Hispanic students.

But when is someone ethnically “Hispanic?” Is someone whose parents came from Argentina and whose ancestors all came from Spain “Hispanic?” What about someone whose parents came from Argentina but whose ancestors came from Italy? What about someone whose parents came directly from Spain? Can someone from Argentina whose last name is Spanish claim to be Hispanic, but someone whose last name is Italian is not? Why in any of these cases should anyone afforded special consideration for acceptance? The whole concept of the term is so vague. Just one example of the slippery slope that racial indentity politics can create.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps they identify as another race…just as some people identify as a gender other than what they were born?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Get in line, baby. I remember the reverse discrimination lawsuit filed by a woman against U Mich. at the same time I was applying to college. I was experiencing the same thing at my high school.

What's changed is now universities are openly saying they want URMS and first gens and no legacies. They went test optional to drive up the numbers of URMS in their incoming classes which aren't even representative of the demographics for the US. They are way out of line. So today's high achieving Applicants are suffering from the prior years/generations of admitting less even though they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This must be verified somehow. My dad tells the story of how he had admission rescinded 45 years ago after check “Native American” in a brain fart (he claims he read “American”.

That was 1979. Surely they review things even more strictly now.

Nowadays people can 'identify' as other races. They won't touch that with a 100-yard pole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My take: Asians have pretty good cause to worry about fairness in the system, but the rest of us - especially white folks - should just STFU. You’re fine. You’ve caught every break under the sun since Columbus killed the natives. It’s time to share the wealth.

Also, sports recruitment is a huge boost for white kids. Go look at the team photos for the sports teams at top universities, colleges (including SLACS). They are not only very white, but they are also a boost to kids who come from wealthier backgrounds. Look at the schools these kids attended—primarily wealthy, affluent suburbs and independent schools.

Not what I see when I watch the Final four or some of the College bowls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You’re fretting and overstating the importance of this. When it comes to diversity outreach, the main focus is now and long has been on African Americans. As it should be, since this country has screwed them over in unimaginable ways for hundreds of years. All of this other stuff is just noise. None of you is being denied anything.

Once the liberals opened the Pandora’s Box of racial spoils there was no putting the troubles back in. They said “this race should get this and that because reasons” and the obvious and predictable consequence was other races trying to see what they could also get, because reasons. You can try and dismiss everyone else and tell them to shut up but it’s not going to happen.

Colleges should require high-re pictures and conduct detailed analysis of skin pigmentation to root out this unethical behavior.

Don't you remember sending your photo in with applications? It was pretty standard in the 80s and 90s. I think Georgetown was one of the last to stop doing it.

Besides the racial bias issue, there's a beauty bias that is hard to combat in humans.

I have a white friend with a name that is associated with black women. People assume she is black and are always shocked when she meets them in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.