s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Asian friends said they marked “mixed races.” It imo,it’s maybe Hispanic or black, but you don’t have to specify. Still gives you an advantage over white or Asian.

This tactic avoids bias towards the applicant but there is no admissions advantage checking off mixed race because colleges don’t count these numbers in URM diversity stats.

Avoiding bias against is a great start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Data shows the exact opposite. Asians are held to a much higher standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

My sister has said on numerous occasions that most in her community now openly admit to "playing the game" with "the game" being many ways to gain any advantage. Any shame or stigma attached to such is quickly falling away and people are willing to do whatever it takes to help there kids. I do see how that can be for when it comes to one's child one may do things to help and support them that they would never consider for just themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

DP: You are a vile, racist person. People are people, not mere members of a supposed race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

DP: You are a vile, racist person. People are people, not mere members of a supposed race.

Tell that to college admissions offices. They carefully calculate representation by race. For so long as colleges maintain representation levels by race, it is proper for everyone to discuss whether different races are over or underrepresented.

[Anonymous]

I think this is risky business. If AO senses the lie, it would result in outright rejection.

[Anonymous]

All Asians should register their kids as Native American. Native Americans are descended from Asia, so it only makes sense. Or Black. Because they were also originally from Africa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Data shows the exact opposite. Asians are held to a much higher standard.

Data for which aspects of holistic admissions? You can't just look at part if the data.

[Anonymous]

My take: Asians have pretty good cause to worry about fairness in the system, but the rest of us - especially white folks - should just STFU. You’re fine. You’ve caught every break under the sun since Columbus killed the natives. It’s time to share the wealth.

[Anonymous]

Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

DP: You are a vile, racist person. People are people, not mere members of a supposed race.

I did not intend this to be any judgment on race, and it was not intended to be a subjective statement. It's just the data. Sorry if the syntax came across as subjective here. I meant that if you look at percentage of Asian students on these campus compared to Asian students in overall population, the percentage is much much higher. That's what "overrepresented" means here. It was not meant to be a judgment! Just to say that Asian students do very well in top tier admissions.

I do think there is a cultural (but not racial) component in when it comes to this notion of a "recipe" for Ivies and expectation that high stats equates to best qualified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take: Asians have pretty good cause to worry about fairness in the system, but the rest of us - especially white folks - should just STFU. You’re fine. You’ve caught every break under the sun since Columbus killed the natives. It’s time to share the wealth.

You're beyond dumb. STFU or have a rational conversation here. "Whites" include many who were discriminated against. Columbus didn't kill the natives--go watch for yourself in any Lat Am country--, that was what YOUR ancestors did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take: Asians have pretty good cause to worry about fairness in the system, but the rest of us - especially white folks - should just STFU. You’re fine. You’ve caught every break under the sun since Columbus killed the natives. It’s time to share the wealth.

You're beyond dumb. STFU or have a rational conversation here. "Whites" include many who were discriminated against. Columbus didn't kill the natives--go watch for yourself in any Lat Am country--, that was what YOUR ancestors did.

WTF are you even talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You’re fretting and overstating the importance of this. When it comes to diversity outreach, the main focus is now and long has been on African Americans. As it should be, since this country has screwed them over in unimaginable ways for hundreds of years. All of this other stuff is just noise. None of you is being denied anything.