s/o - Cheating and Checking Diversity boxes

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Overrrepresenstjon rate for stats is lower than Jews.

Jews are 10x over represented if you want to go down this route

2% of normal population

20% at hypsm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where does the ethnicity stop, though? I'm always so confused about this. I'm 1/2 hispanic via my mother who is 100%. I've always just checked "white" for my kids recognizing that they are more white than hispanic. But am I wrong? My DH is not technically white but there's no box for him.

You’re fretting and overstating the importance of this. When it comes to diversity outreach, the main focus is now and long has been on African Americans. As it should be, since this country has screwed them over in unimaginable ways for hundreds of years. All of this other stuff is just noise. None of you is being denied anything.

Harvard case showed that Hispanics get massive boost also and unlike black people it is less deserved and way easier to game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Overrrepresenstjon rate for stats is lower than Jews.

Jews are 10x over represented if you want to go down this route

2% of normal population

20% at hypsm

WHAT??

DP here. First part is correct. Second part is absolutely NOT correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Same thing happened with Jews many decades ago but now they make up about 25% of Ivy schools when they make up 2% of the population. That is 12 times the population but you don't hear about how Jews are extremely over-represented. Asians make up about 6% of the population and make up about 18% of Ivy schools - approximately 3 times the population.

Without discrimination in college admissions, the % would be about 60% not 18%. There is your discrimination.

Ahh, it’s the anti-Semitic Asian posting again. Get your facts straight. Jews don’t come anywhere close to 25% at the Ivy’s. At best half that and at most it’s lower. And at MIT and CMU, they are only 5% of the population.

And I should add that Asians make up far more than 18% at Ivys. It’s closer to 30% and at MIT and CMU it’s at least 50 % if not more.

You are right, Asian Americans make up 18.4% of all the Ivy universities.

And that is only because the "Harvard" discrimination lawsuit was filed about 11 years ago and Harvard and other Ivy universities slowly but sure increased % of admitted Asian Americans in response to the lawsuit.

The other poster does not address how it is fair for Jews to be 12 times to 25 times more over-represented than the population % is fine and dandy and changes the subject to MIT/CMU but it is horrible that Asian Americans are over-represented by about 3 to 3.5 times over-represented so Asians should shut up about it.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband’s father is Puerto Rican (moved to US by age 8) and mother is white. My husband checked the Hispanic box for undergrad and law school and it definitely helped him get into better schools.

Question is do we do it blonde hair, blue eyed son? We do have a very Hispanic last name.

I truly feel like my son will be the only child from the HS class of 2024 that won't be checking any boxes or cheating/falsifying his application.

WTH has become of this process?

One more here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Overrrepresenstjon rate for stats is lower than Jews.

Jews are 10x over represented if you want to go down this route

2% of normal population

20% at hypsm

WHAT??

DP here. First part is correct. Second part is absolutely NOT correct.

Actually it is 11 times at 22%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Why didn't you learn a 'new' language? If your first language is Spanish, wth were you taking Spanish for your language requirement? I find this so common. In Honors Spanish 1-III at my kids' high school they are often the few kids who didn't grow up speaking Spanish at home."

I already had another language besides English and Spanish.

My kids' honors Spanish teacher said that many of her students that had zero exposure to Spanish at home, no ethnic background, no spanish speakers in the home, etc., actually do better in her class. She said it's because they study and prepare while the native speakers just assume they don't need to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite sure this is not as widespread as the pyschos on this board suggest.

Plenty of Asian parents are fed up with their kids being discriminated against and being held to an impossible standard. The system is rigged against them, why not play the game?

Have you seen the make up of Ivy campuses? My kid was admitted to several T15. Asian kids are over represented. At one Ivy, Asian was the majority race of the admitted students group that day. Stop playing the victim. Many Asian families think there is some recipe to a T15 and now claim discrimination. It's holistic admissions, and every T15 campus has a large cohort of Asian kids. Much larger than population percentages would suggest. Even if these schools filled all their spots with Asian kids, it would still result in overwhelming rejection for most Asian kids.

Overrrepresenstjon rate for stats is lower than Jews.

Jews are 10x over represented if you want to go down this route

2% of normal population

20% at hypsm

WHAT??

DP here. First part is correct. Second part is absolutely NOT correct.

Actually it is 11 times at 22%.

I think you may be including grad stats. Undergrad for Harvard is 10% Jewish. And, does this poster's throwing around "Jews" bother anyone else? I am not Jewish but find this person's tone and narrative offensive. I understand the point being made, and I think it's fine to have over representation of groups, but I also think it's fair to say that colleges use a variety of admission criteria (not just hight gpa/tests), and it's good to have a diverse student body and that both Asian and Jewish student groups do very well in admissions at these schools. I find this whole race/ethnicity game people want to play with admissions objectionable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

I know families who have really pushed the boundaries on checking these boxes, especially for the Latino/Hispanic category.

Ergh, yes. This brings to mind one YouTuber who is at Stanford.

[Anonymous]

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For the white folks - do you not understand that this is what happened for your people a generation ago except the government fully paid for it? Y'all remain super supportive (or forgetful/willfully ignorant) of any handout that white people receive.

Have you heard of the GI Bill? Let's talk some numbers to help put this into perspective. There were ~16mil WW2 vets. 1mill were black, we will subtract them out, since they were denied GI benefits. So, we are left with around 15mil white male veterans (less the 350k women vets). Using 1950 census data: there were 150mil Americans total. ~135mil whites and ~15mil "nonwhites" (term used in census reports at the time). Of the 135mil white Americans in 1950, ~67mil were men. So, around 22% of white men were WW2 vets.

What a load of absolute bs. The GI bill was not and is not a handout. In order to obtain it, you had to serve your country for years. This is in no way comparable to “give kids a leg up because their skin is brown or black.” If you want to create a program in which blacks and Hispanics received educational benefits in exchange for four years of national service, great, let’s have that. But don’t pretend giving people a diversity advantage in college applicants is just like the GI bill, because that’s utter crap.

NP: you missed the part where Black veterans got nothing from the GI Bill. Do you think that was fair? Do you think white veterans didn’t benefit from their service?

That didn't make it a "handout" to whites. They had to earn it. The white servicemen weren't just handed the benefit for being white - they had to serve in order to get the benefit.

Reminder: most US military casualties in WWII were white men. Blacks overwhelmingly served in rear-area support units. Out of 405,399 US military deaths in WW2, only 708 were African American (0.17%). Do you think that was fair? Do you still think white servicemen were unfairly rewarded?

Funny that you think African Americsns asked to serve in the rear.

Reminder: The WW2-era military didn’t think African Americans were fit for combat or leadership positions, so they were mostly put in labor and service units.

Do you still think that white servicemen deserved a handout denied to black servicemen? Do you think that is fair?

-NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

I know families who have really pushed the boundaries on checking these boxes, especially for the Latino/Hispanic category.

Ergh, yes. This brings to mind one YouTuber who is at Stanford.

Which one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

How do they explain their last name (if Asian)?

Umm, you do know that there are Asian Latinos. They don't need to explain anything.

3/4 Asian cousin was given mother’s Latina last name instead of father’s Asian last name. I can only guess why they did this in today’s day and age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the thread about cheating via extended time, some mentioned that white/Asian students are being coached to check the box that they are black or Hispanic.

Is this really what our college application system has become? I cannot imagine anyone that I know doing this. And doesn’t the high school guidance counselor have to review the application and verify information anyway?

How do they explain their last name (if Asian)?

Umm, you do know that there are Asian Latinos. They don't need to explain anything.

3/4 Asian cousin was given mother’s Latina last name instead of father’s Asian last name. I can only guess why they did this in today’s day and age.

I was referring to Asians in Latin America. For instance, there is a small percentage of Mexicans who are Asian. Therefore, they could accurately classify themselves ad Latino.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone explain why applicants who can claim a Spanish (as in the European country) get an admissions bump?

Trying to understand the rationale.