^ yeah he could have cheated just because he was a whore like my wife
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Or because he was "Mira' like the cheating wife in the other post
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What I see here isn’t men who are victims. It’s men who cannot stand the discomfort of emotional vulnerability. “Asking ‘why aren’t you interested in me anymore’ is a very hard thing to do.” Well no shit. It’s hard for everybody! Grow up and do hard things. Go to therapy and talk to your wife. And if that doesn’t work evaluate whether or not the relationship is working for you. |
I came to the same conclusion. BUT--I truly think it's the way men have been raised with 'toxic masculinity'. Men for generations were taught to deny their emotions, not to cry, not to do anything that could be considered 'unmanly'. They don't know what to do with their feelings let alone be vulnerable. And this has been the result for centuries,, just go bang another woman. That temporarily relieves the pain and is a shot to boost their manhood. |
| ^ they certainly would never confide in a friend about matters like that unlike women. |
And a lot of women are attracted to other aspects of that same basic masculine stereotype. A lot of women marry men who are aggressive, selfish, stoic, brash because they like that they are popular, successful in competitive jobs, etc. But those qualities can make a bad transition to midlife. |
This is assuming that women are all open to having those difficult conversations and/or making changes in the relationship. And that's just not true. In fact, there is the woman up thread who talks about how she clammed up because she was going through a lot and "iced out" her husband. Doesn't excuse what he did, but also doesn't suggest that all he had to do was raise his concerns. |
No, it doesn’t assume that. Notice I said “if that doesn’t work evaluate whether or not the relationship is right for you.” |
No. He didn't love the one he cheated on, nor the bimb@. It's something else completely, his dysfunction and deflecting upon the victim women. Good riddance I say. |
I mean't "bimb@ woman" as the one that cheated with him fyi. |
I’m the PP who mentioned emotional vulnerability and you are both correct. It irritates me that that author focuses on (in all her writing a that I have seen) the way women need to be more open to having enthusiastic sex and less about how we need to encourage men to be vulnerable. And while the burden for that should be on men, women are complicit in this toxic masculinity when they give covert messages that emotions or vulnerability weak, womanly things. |
Your situation mirrors mine. I also asked marital therapy which he accepted eagerly, but sadly he continued to tell gigantic lies to me (and the therapist to some degree, it seems clear). I finally went to therapy with him one day and basically said, “I know you’re lying about X,Y and Z - our relationship is over, you have 48 hours to get out of the house. I will not discuss anything else during this therapy session except for how to tell the kids about our split and your moving out. This is my last therapy session with you.” He looked shell-shocked. I don’t think he ever anticipated that he would be caught, and I would end it. He spent two more years trying to get back with me - which I consistently rejected. Lying extensively to your wife, and then continuing to lie extensively in therapy is definitely sociopathic. |
This analogy is spot on. We all feel hurt when those things (cheating or other ppl backing out social engagements or forgetting to send a thank you card) happen to us, yet we all make excuses for ourselves and expect to be forgiven when we do those things that hurt others. It's like all my single friends on dating apps have ghosted and been ghosted. Of course they feel upset when they are ghosted, but it doesn't stop them from ghosting people they are not interested in, and they feel justified to do so. It's just part of life. Ultimately it depends on who has more opportunity to do those kinds of hurtful things. Like a hot girl on dating apps is much more likely to ghost others than being ghosted herself. Or a successful and attractive middle age man has more resource (money, social status, time away from home) to cheat than a SAHM. But let's admit it, we (regardless of gender) would all find it hard to resist the temptation if given the right opportunity. Men simply have more opportunities to cheat; that's it. FWIW I'm a woman who have never cheated in 10 years of my marriage, and have not been cheated on to my best knowledge. But if it had happened I would just think of it as a matter of which of us was presented the opportunity first. Neither of us actively sought out cheating. But I don't pretend that I have the morality to turn down a (hypothetically) opportunity of having some good NSA sex with a very hot guy that my husband would never find out. |
Seriously! All this navel gazing. Geez! Pathetic! |
AHHH...NO. As a highly attractive woman, I have been hit on and propositioned my entire life. At the Office, at the gym, on the sidelines of a kids' soccer game. I have had every opportunity out there and I have never even kissed another man in the 26 years I have been with my husband. I also was hit on when I was a single woman by very successful and handsome married men, and I thought they were scum. I always thought 'how the hell could they do this to their wife? their kids?'. SO, some of us have morality and integrity and can have a million opportunities. Even if some divine power told me that I would never get caught, the guilt alone would eat me alive. |