How many undocumented students are enrolled in MCPS?

[Anonymous]

I assume if ESOL positions are slashed their will be a dramatic increase in non English speaking kids I need regular classrooms?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

[Anonymous]

Another elementary ESOL teacher here. There are enough native born Americans who speak another language other than English for me and all of my colleagues to keep our jobs. I have appr. 55 students on my caseload and I'd guess 45 of them are native born Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

I'm not the teacher PP, but the fact is that there are kids here illegally in probably almost every school in MCPS. The current educational laws say that students here legally or illegally have a right to an education, so whether they were legal or illegal it doesn't really matter. The real issue is how schools need better monitoring and preventative safety measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another elementary ESOL teacher here. There are enough native born Americans who speak another language other than English for me and all of my colleagues to keep our jobs. I have appr. 55 students on my caseload and I'd guess 45 of them are native born Americans.

How do you know they are native born? I'm actually not too surprised as most of the recent undocumented children from Central America are older teens so they wouldn't be placed in elementary school to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

I'm not the teacher PP, but the fact is that there are kids here illegally in probably almost every school in MCPS. The current educational laws say that students here legally or illegally have a right to an education, so whether they were legal or illegal it doesn't really matter. The real issue is how schools need better monitoring and preventative safety measures.

PP here - I agree that is the case! But, it really does matter. It mattered to that poor 14 year old girl, and it matters to us as parents who have kids in RHS. It matters because the man claims to be 18, but really appears to be older. And, if that's the case, then maybe HS wasn't the appropriate place for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another elementary ESOL teacher here. There are enough native born Americans who speak another language other than English for me and all of my colleagues to keep our jobs. I have appr. 55 students on my caseload and I'd guess 45 of them are native born Americans.

What does that mean? Kids who are born here in the US but do not speak English? How does that happen? Simply because they did not attend preschool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

And who knows if they had established criminal activities before they came here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

And who knows if they had established criminal activities before they came here?

Doesn't matter. We have to educate everyone, regardless of age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

I'm not the teacher PP, but the fact is that there are kids here illegally in probably almost every school in MCPS. The current educational laws say that students here legally or illegally have a right to an education, so whether they were legal or illegal it doesn't really matter. The real issue is how schools need better monitoring and preventative safety measures.

PP here - I agree that is the case! But, it really does matter. It mattered to that poor 14 year old girl, and it matters to us as parents who have kids in RHS. It matters because the man claims to be 18, but really appears to be older. And, if that's the case, then maybe HS wasn't the appropriate place for him.

Exactly. And who can verify they are in fact "children"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

And who knows if they had established criminal activities before they came here?

Doesn't matter. We have to educate everyone, regardless of age.

Criminals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.

I'm a parent in the RHS cluster and your post is insulting. We were not painting 'everyone from Central America with the same brush'. Parents are/were concerned about the fact that the two men were here ILLEGALLY. IMO, it doesn't matter where they are from. But it does matter that they were here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they had no info on these men, and can't even verify their ages.

And who knows if they had established criminal activities before they came here?

Doesn't matter. We have to educate everyone, regardless of age.

Criminals?

Impossible to prove if someone is a criminal if the schools are not required to ask for any proof of identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another elementary ESOL teacher here. There are enough native born Americans who speak another language other than English for me and all of my colleagues to keep our jobs. I have appr. 55 students on my caseload and I'd guess 45 of them are native born Americans.

What does that mean? Kids who are born here in the US but do not speak English? How does that happen? Simply because they did not attend preschool?

There parents are illegals and don't speak English at home and rarely have the money for preK programs. K is often their first exsposure to real Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another elementary ESOL teacher here. There are enough native born Americans who speak another language other than English for me and all of my colleagues to keep our jobs. I have appr. 55 students on my caseload and I'd guess 45 of them are native born Americans.

What does that mean? Kids who are born here in the US but do not speak English? How does that happen? Simply because they did not attend preschool?

There parents are illegals and don't speak English at home and rarely have the money for preK programs. K is often their first exsposure to real Americans.

PreK is free for low income families in MoCo. Head Start is offered, with busing at several high schools around the county.

[Anonymous]

All this craziness sounds utterly unbelievable.