How many undocumented students are enrolled in MCPS?

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Free English lessons? Free food? Maybe free medical insurance too?

Free lodging, girls, college, ability to traffic narcotics...

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Anonymous wrote:Personally if a young person makes it all the way from Central American to MoCo and plans to stay (whether legally or not) I am ok with him getting a bit of education. Might help him contribute while he is here or in his home country when/if sent back.

Wow, that's awfully generous of you. How about you get to choose that as your charity and I get to choose something else? That is not how I feel and I would prefer not to have my tax money going to these criminals who have broken the law.

Let's stop using taxpayer money and people like you can choose to support them as you wish. I could get behind that legislation.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the stats for the unaccompanied children that have been released to MOCO by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. These numbers are those that came through ORR only.

556 unaccompanied children have been released between October 1, 2016 through January 31, 2017.
1,079 were released to MOCO the rest of 2016
534 in 2015
1,117 in 2014

age breakdown:
up to 12 yrs: 18%
13-14 yrs: 17%
15-16 yrs: 37%
17 yrs: 31%

gender breakdown:
67% males
33% females

country breakdown:
Guatemala- 40%
El Salvador- 34%
Honduras- 21%
Mexico- 3%
Other- 2%

Interesting. 17 years old is the smallext year span demographic but comprises close to the largest population. Could adults know or be told to declare themselves 17??

I bet that's very likely!

31% are 17 years old? Interesting.

Of course there are more children in the higher age categories. They are traveling alone from Central America through Mexico. Do you think Salvadoran parents are more likely to send their 13 year olds to make that trip alone or their 17 year olds?! Just consider for a minute how desperate a family must be to do this, when you probably don't even allow your high schooler to walk themselves to school.

No, parents are not 'sending' their 17 year olds. They know they can come here so they just do.

What is your point PP? That it's dangerous so anyone who makes the trip alive should be allowed to stay no questions asked?

Sigh. My only point was that it makes perfect sense that there are many more 17 year olds than 13 year olds. Posters seemed to think there was some conspiracy for older people to claim they were 17. I still have no idea why people think adults from Central America are trying to cheat their way into high school. It would seem much likelier to me that new illegal immigrants would be trying to get jobs, not lying for the privilege of sitting through 9th grade ESOL.

Sigh. That just shows how naive you really are.

There are tons of benefits to lying about their age and saying they are not yet 19. All worth sitting through 9th grade ESOL. Free meals at school. Free health care since they can be considered minors. Even the free ESOL is a big benefit versus having to pay for ESOL classes as LEGAL immigrant adults often do.

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Anonymous wrote:PP- A lot of these teenagers just leave. Their parents are not "sending" them. Some of them leave because they wanted out of a gang and they become targets so they just leave. Watch the documentary about these kids who ride the trains through Mexico to the border. I cant remember the name right now but you can google it.

Yes, no actual gang members come here to practice their trade, while scamming entitlements. It's all just clean cut and polite Hispanic kids eager to learn calculus.

I'm an elementary ESOL teacher and the overwhelming majority of families in my school who come here from Central America are heavily invested in the education of their children. Much more so than a lot of the students who were born here, including native English speakers. Of course this is solely my experience.

The parents have high expectations for their children considering the reason they came here is to seek a better life for their children. Their dream is for their children to learn English and get an education. They sacrifice a lot and often separate their families for years and sometimes forever. Sometimes a parent has lived here for years and then send for their child and the child comes to live with a parent they haven't seen in years.

I can see how older children are in different situations. Their family situations are often more unstable than the ones who come when they're younger. They may not actually have any family here, but they're escaping unfathomable violence and so they take the risk.

Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch, just like in any group of people. But considering I work with these families every day and have for over 13 years, I can't malign them the way you have considering I've gotten the opportunity to actually get to know them. Honestly, my only negative experiences with families have been with native born Americans. Again, that's just my experience. Unfortunately the situation at RHS, as terrible as it is, will only propogate an agenda of spreading fear considering people were just looking for a situation like this to paint all Central American immigrants in the same light. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation all around.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the stats for the unaccompanied children that have been released to MOCO by the Office of Refugee Resettlement. These numbers are those that came through ORR only.

556 unaccompanied children have been released between October 1, 2016 through January 31, 2017.
1,079 were released to MOCO the rest of 2016
534 in 2015
1,117 in 2014

age breakdown:
up to 12 yrs: 18%
13-14 yrs: 17%
15-16 yrs: 37%
17 yrs: 31%

gender breakdown:
67% males
33% females

country breakdown:
Guatemala- 40%
El Salvador- 34%
Honduras- 21%
Mexico- 3%
Other- 2%

Interesting. 17 years old is the smallext year span demographic but comprises close to the largest population. Could adults know or be told to declare themselves 17??

I bet that's very likely!

31% are 17 years old? Interesting.

Of course there are more children in the higher age categories. They are traveling alone from Central America through Mexico. Do you think Salvadoran parents are more likely to send their 13 year olds to make that trip alone or their 17 year olds?! Just consider for a minute how desperate a family must be to do this, when you probably don't even allow your high schooler to walk themselves to school.

No, parents are not 'sending' their 17 year olds. They know they can come here so they just do.

What is your point PP? That it's dangerous so anyone who makes the trip alive should be allowed to stay no questions asked?

Sigh. My only point was that it makes perfect sense that there are many more 17 year olds than 13 year olds. Posters seemed to think there was some conspiracy for older people to claim they were 17. I still have no idea why people think adults from Central America are trying to cheat their way into high school. It would seem much likelier to me that new illegal immigrants would be trying to get jobs, not lying for the privilege of sitting through 9th grade ESOL.

They get free everything. That's why. Many of these kids come from extremely poor families so they come here to get 100% taken care of by our tax money. It's a load of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally if a young person makes it all the way from Central American to MoCo and plans to stay (whether legally or not) I am ok with him getting a bit of education. Might help him contribute while he is here or in his home country when/if sent back.

Wow, that's awfully generous of you. How about you get to choose that as your charity and I get to choose something else? That is not how I feel and I would prefer not to have my tax money going to these criminals who have broken the law.

Let's stop using taxpayer money and people like you can choose to support them as you wish. I could get behind that legislation.

But they are already here and they are already in your neighborhood. Do you think MoCo will be a better place if young immigrant men are just left to hang out? Your tax dollars will end up supporting them in jail which is a whole lot more expensive!

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Anonymous wrote:Personally if a young person makes it all the way from Central American to MoCo and plans to stay (whether legally or not) I am ok with him getting a bit of education. Might help him contribute while he is here or in his home country when/if sent back.

Wow, that's awfully generous of you. How about you get to choose that as your charity and I get to choose something else? That is not how I feel and I would prefer not to have my tax money going to these criminals who have broken the law.

Let's stop using taxpayer money and people like you can choose to support them as you wish. I could get behind that legislation.

But they are already here and they are already in your neighborhood. Do you think MoCo will be a better place if young immigrant men are just left to hang out? Your tax dollars will end up supporting them in jail which is a whole lot more expensive!

Why not let adult students attend evening classes??

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I don't know my 17 year old son is in high school. .and gas more a year to go

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On FOX now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know my 17 year old son is in high school. .and gas more a year to go

Somehow I'm guessing his English is pretty good, and you were required to produce legal documents to get him in.

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Anonymous wrote:PP- A lot of these teenagers just leave. Their parents are not "sending" them. Some of them leave because they wanted out of a gang and they become targets so they just leave. Watch the documentary about these kids who ride the trains through Mexico to the border. I cant remember the name right now but you can google it.

Yes, no actual gang members come here to practice their trade, while scamming entitlements. It's all just clean cut and polite Hispanic kids eager to learn calculus.

I'm an elementary ESOL teacher and the overwhelming majority of families in my school who come here from Central America are heavily invested in the education of their children. Much more so than a lot of the students who were born here, including native English speakers. Of course this is solely my experience.

The parents have high expectations for their children considering the reason they came here is to seek a better life for their children. Their dream is for their children to learn English and get an education. They sacrifice a lot and often separate their families for years and sometimes forever. Sometimes a parent has lived here for years and then send for their child and the child comes to live with a parent they haven't seen in years.

I can see how older children are in different situations. Their family situations are often more unstable than the ones who come when they're younger. They may not actually have any family here, but they're escaping unfathomable violence and so they take the risk.

Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch, just like in any group of people. But considering I work with these families every day and have for over 13 years, I can't malign them the way you have considering I've gotten the opportunity to actually get to know them. Honestly, my only negative experiences with families have been with native born Americans. Again, that's just my experience. Unfortunately the situation at RHS, as terrible as it is, will only propogate an agenda of spreading fear considering people were just looking for a situation like this to paint all Central American immigrants in the same light. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation all around.

Oh please! The families from Central America are the least involved and do the least to work them at home. Give me an immigrant from Mali, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil ...literally anywhere but Central America and then I know I'll get parent involvement. The thing is none of this matters because this isn't about immigrants it's about ILLEGAL aliens. They are breaking thr law and they are a huge strain on our resources and they need to be deported.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP- A lot of these teenagers just leave. Their parents are not "sending" them. Some of them leave because they wanted out of a gang and they become targets so they just leave. Watch the documentary about these kids who ride the trains through Mexico to the border. I cant remember the name right now but you can google it.

Yes, no actual gang members come here to practice their trade, while scamming entitlements. It's all just clean cut and polite Hispanic kids eager to learn calculus.

I'm an elementary ESOL teacher and the overwhelming majority of families in my school who come here from Central America are heavily invested in the education of their children. Much more so than a lot of the students who were born here, including native English speakers. Of course this is solely my experience.

The parents have high expectations for their children considering the reason they came here is to seek a better life for their children. Their dream is for their children to learn English and get an education. They sacrifice a lot and often separate their families for years and sometimes forever. Sometimes a parent has lived here for years and then send for their child and the child comes to live with a parent they haven't seen in years.

I can see how older children are in different situations. Their family situations are often more unstable than the ones who come when they're younger. They may not actually have any family here, but they're escaping unfathomable violence and so they take the risk.

Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch, just like in any group of people. But considering I work with these families every day and have for over 13 years, I can't malign them the way you have considering I've gotten the opportunity to actually get to know them. Honestly, my only negative experiences with families have been with native born Americans. Again, that's just my experience. Unfortunately the situation at RHS, as terrible as it is, will only propogate an agenda of spreading fear considering people were just looking for a situation like this to paint all Central American immigrants in the same light. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation all around.

Oh please! The families from Central America are the least involved and do the least to work them at home. Give me an immigrant from Mali, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil ...literally anywhere but Central America and then I know I'll get parent involvement. The thing is none of this matters because this isn't about immigrants it's about ILLEGAL aliens. They are breaking thr law and they are a huge strain on our resources and they need to be deported.

If you're a teacher I wouldn't want my kid in your class. I'm sure you treat your ESOL students the same as your non ESOL students. Not. That's sad.

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Anonymous wrote:PP- A lot of these teenagers just leave. Their parents are not "sending" them. Some of them leave because they wanted out of a gang and they become targets so they just leave. Watch the documentary about these kids who ride the trains through Mexico to the border. I cant remember the name right now but you can google it.

Yes, no actual gang members come here to practice their trade, while scamming entitlements. It's all just clean cut and polite Hispanic kids eager to learn calculus.

I'm an elementary ESOL teacher and the overwhelming majority of families in my school who come here from Central America are heavily invested in the education of their children. Much more so than a lot of the students who were born here, including native English speakers. Of course this is solely my experience.

The parents have high expectations for their children considering the reason they came here is to seek a better life for their children. Their dream is for their children to learn English and get an education. They sacrifice a lot and often separate their families for years and sometimes forever. Sometimes a parent has lived here for years and then send for their child and the child comes to live with a parent they haven't seen in years.

I can see how older children are in different situations. Their family situations are often more unstable than the ones who come when they're younger. They may not actually have any family here, but they're escaping unfathomable violence and so they take the risk.

Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch, just like in any group of people. But considering I work with these families every day and have for over 13 years, I can't malign them the way you have considering I've gotten the opportunity to actually get to know them. Honestly, my only negative experiences with families have been with native born Americans. Again, that's just my experience. Unfortunately the situation at RHS, as terrible as it is, will only propogate an agenda of spreading fear considering people were just looking for a situation like this to paint all Central American immigrants in the same light. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation all around.

Well, let's be honest here. You're an ESOL teacher, so your income, your salary, your benefits, your job all depend on ESOL students. You WANT/NEED them to come to MCPS so that you can keep your job. That's fine, but admit that.

Over the last decade, MCPS has had to divert a good amount of funding for other programs into ESOL due to an influx of these students. There has been an increase in the number of ESOL positions at many schools. If the students were not coming, you would not find a job as easily.

My neighbor is an ESOL teacher and she would disagree with you. Some illegal immigrant families are invested in education, but often many are not. She doesn't necessarily fault them - they often simply can't support their students at home, work long hours, can't make it in for conferences, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:When students enroll, they only need to produce a birth certificate so I am not sure how they would know exact numbers.

They said on the news yesterday that the undocumented students do not have ANY documents, let alone birth certificates.
They are not required to produce anything, including vacc. record. Yesterday on the news, there was an interview with
a lady from one of the school districts in Masachussets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP- A lot of these teenagers just leave. Their parents are not "sending" them. Some of them leave because they wanted out of a gang and they become targets so they just leave. Watch the documentary about these kids who ride the trains through Mexico to the border. I cant remember the name right now but you can google it.

Yes, no actual gang members come here to practice their trade, while scamming entitlements. It's all just clean cut and polite Hispanic kids eager to learn calculus.

I'm an elementary ESOL teacher and the overwhelming majority of families in my school who come here from Central America are heavily invested in the education of their children. Much more so than a lot of the students who were born here, including native English speakers. Of course this is solely my experience.

The parents have high expectations for their children considering the reason they came here is to seek a better life for their children. Their dream is for their children to learn English and get an education. They sacrifice a lot and often separate their families for years and sometimes forever. Sometimes a parent has lived here for years and then send for their child and the child comes to live with a parent they haven't seen in years.

I can see how older children are in different situations. Their family situations are often more unstable than the ones who come when they're younger. They may not actually have any family here, but they're escaping unfathomable violence and so they take the risk.

Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch, just like in any group of people. But considering I work with these families every day and have for over 13 years, I can't malign them the way you have considering I've gotten the opportunity to actually get to know them. Honestly, my only negative experiences with families have been with native born Americans. Again, that's just my experience. Unfortunately the situation at RHS, as terrible as it is, will only propogate an agenda of spreading fear considering people were just looking for a situation like this to paint all Central American immigrants in the same light. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation all around.

Well, let's be honest here. You're an ESOL teacher, so your income, your salary, your benefits, your job all depend on ESOL students. You WANT/NEED them to come to MCPS so that you can keep your job. That's fine, but admit that.

Over the last decade, MCPS has had to divert a good amount of funding for other programs into ESOL due to an influx of these students. There has been an increase in the number of ESOL positions at many schools. If the students were not coming, you would not find a job as easily.

My neighbor is an ESOL teacher and she would disagree with you. Some illegal immigrant families are invested in education, but often many are not. She doesn't necessarily fault them - they often simply can't support their students at home, work long hours, can't make it in for conferences, etc.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and my comments have nothing to do with my income, my salary, my benefits or my job. Actually, ESOL allocations in schools, especially elementary schools, have decreased over the past few years since central office switched to a proficiency based staffing formula. I used to have 40 students on my caseload and now I have 60. If the formula hadn't been changed and then tweaked again, we currently would have almost 6 ESOL teachers at my school and we now have 3.5 for over 200 ESOL students. If students don't make progress then schools are actually "rewarded" with more allocation since their students' ESOL levels are lower. My students make progress so our allocations get decreased.

There are more changes coming down the pike for the ESOL program and ESOL positions as we currently know them will be drastically slashed. I know hearing that makes a lot of people happy. I don't know what that means for my job, but it doesn't mean I treat kids any differently or change the way I teach.

I pointed out twice in my previous post that my comments were reflective of my personal experiences. Your neighbor may have had different experiences. Like I said before, we can't paint everyone from Central America with the same brush as people are quick to do after the incident at RHS.