Parents of boys who became incels

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
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This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Hoping this is a troll, or just a clown comment, as this is the single worst thing you can do to prevent the situation OP is describing.

-- Mother of 4 boys

No one claimed that all women are feminists or know how to raise decent men.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
🙄

This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Boys need to be raised to be masculine. Raising them to be male feminists risks making the red pill arguments more persuasive. Men need goals to which they should work. Doing more chores for their wives won’t motivate them.

Having healthy sons starts with having a father and mother in the home to be good examples. Then is means teaching the boys what the boys should give to their families and what they should expect.

Doing chores IN THIER OWN house, you mean? They aren't doing chores for their wives. So sick of male chauvinists.

You misunderstand. Left to their own devices, the men simply wouldn’t do many chores for themselves, let alone someone else. Men view many chores and tasks in the home as unnecessary.

I'll make sure to tell that to my husband who for many years raised his daughters on his own and ran a very tight ship. I think the problem is YOU.

+1. I had a single dad but somehow he managed to clean the house and cook the meals. Shocking, I know.

The problem is the woman? The one who has been trained since birth to take care of her man and family first and foremost? Who has basically a hot minute in some places to recover after birth before she’s supposed to look amazing and don’t all
Again? Who is blamed if her husband steps out? Who gets paid less for the same jobs, who isn’t tested for pharmaceutical drugs, who is belittled by healthcare providers, who downer have autonomy over her body. Yeah. Women are the problem regarding everything from wanting egalitarian households to incels.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
🙄

This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Boys need to be raised to be masculine. Raising them to be male feminists risks making the red pill arguments more persuasive. Men need goals to which they should work. Doing more chores for their wives won’t motivate them.

Having healthy sons starts with having a father and mother in the home to be good examples. Then is means teaching the boys what the boys should give to their families and what they should expect.

Doing chores IN THIER OWN house, you mean? They aren't doing chores for their wives. So sick of male chauvinists.

You misunderstand. Left to their own devices, the men simply wouldn’t do many chores for themselves, let alone someone else. Men view many chores and tasks in the home as unnecessary.

I'll make sure to tell that to my husband who for many years raised his daughters on his own and ran a very tight ship. I think the problem is YOU.

+1. I had a single dad but somehow he managed to clean the house and cook the meals. Shocking, I know.

The problem is the woman? The one who has been trained since birth to take care of her man and family first and foremost? Who has basically a hot minute in some places to recover after birth before she’s supposed to look amazing and don’t all
Again? Who is blamed if her husband steps out? Who gets paid less for the same jobs, who isn’t tested for pharmaceutical drugs, who is belittled by healthcare providers, who downer have autonomy over her body. Yeah. Women are the problem regarding everything from wanting egalitarian households to incels.

What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
🙄

This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Boys need to be raised to be masculine. Raising them to be male feminists risks making the red pill arguments more persuasive. Men need goals to which they should work. Doing more chores for their wives won’t motivate them.

Having healthy sons starts with having a father and mother in the home to be good examples. Then is means teaching the boys what the boys should give to their families and what they should expect.

Here is why we are f’ed. Because people believe that being masculine and being a feminist are mutually exclusive.

Men and women want different things from each other. Feminism doesn’t do a great job of acknowledging that reality. You’re welcome to explain how feminism complements masculinity from a man’s perspective. Not sure I’ve seen that case made in a compelling fashion, but maybe I don’t read broadly enough.

NP but that women want to be able to vote, autonomy over their own bodies and equal rights should not be not complementary to what men want, should it? I mean, many men want women without a voice to be subservient to them - but that doesn’t seem like what’s good for women at all, does it?

Men who want subservient women generally want to provide for those women. You may think that’s a bad deal, but it’s not a one-way street.

I think women should choose whatever they want. I also recognize that things women want (like a career) don’t make them more attractive to men. Like women, men should choose whatever they want, too.

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I really believe the problem is social media, feeling like they don’t belong because of instability in the family home, and the proliferation of hate groups online that makes them feel like they belong to a group. Yes, I know hate groups sucked young men in long before social media, but the internet has made it far easier to access.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
🙄

This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Boys need to be raised to be masculine. Raising them to be male feminists risks making the red pill arguments more persuasive. Men need goals to which they should work. Doing more chores for their wives won’t motivate them.

Having healthy sons starts with having a father and mother in the home to be good examples. Then is means teaching the boys what the boys should give to their families and what they should expect.

Here is why we are f’ed. Because people believe that being masculine and being a feminist are mutually exclusive.

Men and women want different things from each other. Feminism doesn’t do a great job of acknowledging that reality. You’re welcome to explain how feminism complements masculinity from a man’s perspective. Not sure I’ve seen that case made in a compelling fashion, but maybe I don’t read broadly enough.

NP but that women want to be able to vote, autonomy over their own bodies and equal rights should not be not complementary to what men want, should it? I mean, many men want women without a voice to be subservient to them - but that doesn’t seem like what’s good for women at all, does it?

Men who want subservient women generally want to provide for those women. You may think that’s a bad deal, but it’s not a one-way street.

I think women should choose whatever they want. I also recognize that things women want (like a career) don’t make them more attractive to men. Like women, men should choose whatever they want, too.

I believe even “provided for”
Women would like to have some degree of choice over their own bodies and the like. The problem is that many men think these women should have NO choices because they’re being “provided for” (without seeing that the woman is also “providing for” him with her actions).

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What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

Ha! This was definitely my husband and his friends. There was a lot of D&D and video games. No girls. They grew up and matured. He and his friends got married, had kids, and somehow manage to clean the kitchen and do laundry.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

No; it is definitely not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

No; it is definitely not normal.

Yes it is. Everything the PP described is within the range of normal for average kids who grow up to be fine.

It’s not every teen boy’s experience but it certainly isn’t crazy or unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

No; it is definitely not normal.

Says who?

I think everything above is normal.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the actual definition of an incel? A guy who is young, struggles with women, and sexually frustrated? That’s actually very normal.

Young men and teenagers have a combination of raging hormones, high sex drive, and a huge social pressure to be good with girls. Yet at the same time don’t have much to actually offer, and little accomplishments/experience to give them confidence. This is why dating as a young man is difficult you basically start at the bottom, while a young woman is at the peak of her physical attractiveness and usually gets tons of attention without putting in much effort.

When I was a young guy, nerdy, probably me and all of my friends would have been considered incels if that term existed back then. We weren’t violent or anything, but definitely frustrated. All it took for me was some maturing and a few accomplishments to improve my self esteem enough to pursue women.

Ha! This was definitely my husband and his friends. There was a lot of D&D and video games. No girls. They grew up and matured. He and his friends got married, had kids, and somehow manage to clean the kitchen and do laundry.

Agreed - labeling is part of the problem

The bigger issue is living online and these communities / podcasts that turn typical "coming of age" stuff into blaming women and fueling rage

No one used the term Incel in describing Jasn Biggs in American Pie for example

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Somehow they are fine when another man gets the job they wanted; that man earned it, good for him. But a woman? How dare they! She’s not more qualified! I have a penis!! Pick me!
🙄

This doesn’t happen with normal people. Under socialized men who perhaps are undiagnosed, maybe. 95% of men? Nope. Doesn’t happen.

Well it apparently happened to multiple men in this thread. And they blamed women for it. Idk what the percentage is, but that’s literally what this thread is about - these incel men who blame women for all their issues. These men would and DO respect men (ones they see as worthy at least). They listen to them. They pay them. This is the entire grift of red pill content.

But how many people is this IRL? The maladjusted ones aren’t exactly reproducing. The men who are within the range of normal aren’t these basement dwellers. And there’s plenty of men who are within the range of normal. You all are arguing with mental children. You can do that of course but the mental children need to get lives and face challenges head on. I have only boys and I just can’t with the whining. Life is unfair, stop whining and be better.

Only men should stop “whining” or do you say the same to feminists?

I’m the PP. If men are whining, they should stop. If women are whining, they should stop. It’s not about “men” and it certainly isn’t about “feminists.”

Everyone has their victim cards to play and they’re only hurting themselves by playing them.

Look this thread isn’t about “whining;” it’s about how do we stop the very real and growing problem of our boys turning into incels. The cure to stop this is to make a conscious effort to raise boys as true feminists.

Boys need to be raised to be masculine. Raising them to be male feminists risks making the red pill arguments more persuasive. Men need goals to which they should work. Doing more chores for their wives won’t motivate them.

Having healthy sons starts with having a father and mother in the home to be good examples. Then is means teaching the boys what the boys should give to their families and what they should expect.

Here is why we are f’ed. Because people believe that being masculine and being a feminist are mutually exclusive.

Men and women want different things from each other. Feminism doesn’t do a great job of acknowledging that reality. You’re welcome to explain how feminism complements masculinity from a man’s perspective. Not sure I’ve seen that case made in a compelling fashion, but maybe I don’t read broadly enough.

NP but that women want to be able to vote, autonomy over their own bodies and equal rights should not be not complementary to what men want, should it? I mean, many men want women without a voice to be subservient to them - but that doesn’t seem like what’s good for women at all, does it?

Men who want subservient women generally want to provide for those women. You may think that’s a bad deal, but it’s not a one-way street.

I think women should choose whatever they want. I also recognize that things women want (like a career) don’t make them more attractive to men. Like women, men should choose whatever they want, too.

IME men who genuinely want subservient women want the *appearance* of being able to provide for those women. More often than not, the reality is that they can’t, and they use their subservient (working) wives in a pitiful attempt to boost their egos and gain superficial status with other like-minded men.

Men who are actually able to provide for their families (including their wives) generally do not care to tell their wives what to do or how to act. They are secure enough in their own worth that they don’t need to hold their wives under their thumb.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys can debate ethics or profit motive all you want. But a practical result of boys/young men feeling personally disadvantaged in specific situations very likely could be resentment towards those policies, whatever their provenance. I am not saying this makes them incels or justifies red pill culture, but on a human level it is understandable to feel it is 'unfair'.

Then that’s the answer for OP. Teach your sons to be critical thinkers, who are able to move past emotional and illogical knee-jerk reactions. Feeling “personally disadvantaged” by for-profit companies acting…for-profit…is going to be a very painful way to go through life and yes absolutely will lead to resentment and bitterness, even if it isn’t targeted at women.

Somehow you think that the profit notice erases the fact that people can be “personally disadvantaged” or that it doesn’t matter somehow? That’s not critical thinking at all.

Did these boys feel individually disadvantaged by every firm that only recruited out of higher-tier colleges? They disadvantaged all 20 of them.

Did they feel individually disadvantaged by every internship at the firm that was given to the child of a donor, an executive, or a contact?

Or do they only feel disadvantaged because the firm made the choice to recruit girls as well as boys?

If they’re choosing to resent women in the context of all the other people who didn’t give them internships than no, they’re not remotely critical thinkers.

Pretty sure that all of that is unethical, sure. Of course people feel disadvantaged by all of that. This isn’t either/or.

Women have, for thousands of years, been disadvantaged. Cry me a river.

But that was a bad thing, right? So then it is bad to do the same to men. Especially since these men are not responsible for any of that history.

Somehow you’re trying to say that men are disadvantaged in this society? If so, you are drinking the red pill koolaid.

Red pill has nothing to do with genders. You misunderstand the Matrix meaning behind it. Watch "The Matrix" 1999.

Uh you need to update your references, we aren’t in the 1900s anymore. Words evolve and take on new meaning, as red pill has.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing the terms incels and simps. What are these? I think I understand incel, but what is a simp and why do we keep labelling men like this?

Incel = Involuntarily Celibate
An insult directed to a male who cannot get laid or looks or acts like he is a virgin. Even if the guy is hot and a hit with the ladies, it can be used to insult someone, either in a good natured way or a mean way. Synonyms would be "ugly" "weird" "loser" "wimpy" etc.

Simp = a male who grovels to a woman/women and prostrates himself, even literally, before a woman, showering her/them with attention and praise even if unwarranted, and willing to do anything for them, while being exploited and used by the female. Synonyms would be "white knight", "cuck", "boy toy", "fk boy" etc.

Ugly words used to further divide the sexes, commonly abused on social media to promote “girl power” while creating an equally ugly and hostile narrative about the opposite sex. In essence, more useless labels aimed to divide and conquer.

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Women don’t use incel and simp, those are terms coined by other men to insult themselves (incels) and men who appreciate and treat women well (simp/sympathetic). “Girl power” is not derogatory to either sex, but I’m sure you hate women enough you don’t want them to have any “girl power”.