6th grade DD is being excluded from social events with longtime friends

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I thought you said it wasn't an excuse. ??

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I thought you said it wasn't an excuse. ??

You are confused. I wrote “not that it excuses or explains all of the behavior.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I thought you said it wasn't an excuse. ??

You are confused. I wrote “not that it excuses or explains all of the behavior.”

Right. You wrote that and then complained about someone who said "stop making excuses" over girls getting their period.

Some inconsistency there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I put "hormones" in quotes - not because I don't think they exist but because they are not an excuse for a-hole behavior. Cutting one friend from a long-established group, and getting the rest of the group together in plain sight of the excluded person (as described in the OP) is 100% a-hole behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I put "hormones" in quotes - not because I don't think they exist but because they are not an excuse for a-hole behavior. Cutting one friend from a long-established group, and getting the rest of the group together in plain sight of the excluded person (as described in the OP) is 100% a-hole behavior.

I agree with you. Hormones and puberty exist and play factors into everything discussed in this thread, but is it all hormones and puberty? I don't think so, if it was every kid would do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I thought you said it wasn't an excuse. ??

You are confused. I wrote “not that it excuses or explains all of the behavior.”

Right. You wrote that and then complained about someone who said "stop making excuses" over girls getting their period.

Some inconsistency there.

I guess I’m confused. I don’t understand what you’re talking about anymore. But I’ll bow out of this discussion now. My daughter’s on the other side of this nonsense (for now). I stayed minimally involved and I’m proud of how she handled it. I, too, experienced this type of exclusionary behavior in adolescence and there’s not a single thing my mom could have done to make it better for me. I know this stuff hurts, and I wish all of you and your daughters the best, truly.

[Anonymous]

The problem with this thread is that too many people are focused on why this kind of exclusion happens and justifying why their kids may have participated. That’s a topic for another thread.

The point is: what does OP do? How can she help her DD handle what is unquestionably a difficult and upsetting situation. We need to direct our empathy towards OP and her DD, not the girls who are excluding her (even if they deserve empathy and understanding too— it’s just not the point here).

People already made suggestions on how OP can support her daughters - by encouraging her to get involved in other activities and hopefully meet other girls. Besides that , other than providing emotional support, there is nothing OP can do. This is a problem that her daughter will ultimately need to fix for herself. Her mom cannot fix it for her.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this drama because parents don't want their kids to be jerks and want them to actually be kids

That has literally nothing to do with what the discussion was about. It was about people acknowledging that the various maturity levels of middle school can affect who the girls want to be friends with, and recognizing that it’s ok if some girls mature more quickly than others. Starting to act older, be more interested in boys, moving away from pretend play - all of this is completely normal. And this discussion is also about understanding that there is only so much the parents can do in a situation like this beyond reminding their daughters to be kind.

You can’t force a friendship that has evolved as the girls grow up.

+1 And “maturing more quickly” is not all about TikTok and crop tops. Many girls get their first periods at 11/12 and it changes their moods and energy levels, which can affect their relationships and what kind of people they want to spend time with. There are hormonal (and perhaps pheremonal) things going on that we can only do so much about.

I was one of them(11). Stop using that excuse for your little bully(or your younger self).

Neither my kid, nor I, is or was a bully. My daughter was very much cut out from a group in 6th grade. She weathered it ok and is a good place now where she will not go chasing after friendships that make her feel less than. To ignore the role that hormones play in these dynamics is just foolish, though. Not that it excuses or even explains all of the behavior, but c’mon, to pretend that it’s not a factor is not helping anyone.

Did someone say that it isn't a factor? Confused...

If you dismissively writes hormones in quotes, as at least one poster in this thread has, or if you tell someone who simply brings up menarche to stop making excuses for their little bully, then it seems some are not taking it seriously as a factor.

I put "hormones" in quotes - not because I don't think they exist but because they are not an excuse for a-hole behavior. Cutting one friend from a long-established group, and getting the rest of the group together in plain sight of the excluded person (as described in the OP) is 100% a-hole behavior.

I agree with you. Hormones and puberty exist and play factors into everything discussed in this thread, but is it all hormones and puberty? I don't think so, if it was every kid would do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t think you have to force your kids to play with dolls, but you can prevent her from doing TikTok challenges and letting her a$$ hang out from her microskirt.

Oh wow. The Friday drunk mom moved from the elementary school board to here. Because ANY middle and high school parent know that zero teens are wearing “micro skirts” The style is baggy mom jeans, sweat pants, and crop or sport tops. Go too off your glass sweetie. Keep making a complete a$$ out of yourself.

And i don’t know one 6th grader playing with dolls. I sure didn’t either when I was in 6th grade. Stop babying teens.

6th graders aren't teens, they're kids. In fact, teens are kids as well.

My 6th grader is 12 so I guess they must stay like a child and miraculously turn teen at 13? There is a reason there are tween ages for 4-6th grade

Your kid is really old for the grade.

How? My child was also 12 in 6th grade. Graduated at 18. Isn’t that when most kids graduate? Many red shirts graduate at 19 so there can be 13yr olds in 6th grade too.

My son turned 13 in May of 6th grade.

That's because you held him back a year.

My daughter has a May birthday and started school on time, she will turn 12 in 6th grade.

Did you accidently wander here from the Elementary forum?
This is the Teen forum. No one cares.

Clearly people care or else the thread you were replying to wouldn't exist. Maybe read the entire thread of what you're replying to before posting a stupid response.

No one cares that she sent her kid to school "on time." That didn't sound like the OP. Not sure what it has to do with a thread about friendships.

Are you new here? Sometimes threads devolve into discussions about something altogether different. It is what it is, relax, honey. Go get a drink.

[Anonymous]

It is SUPER painful when our kids are excluded from things, but I don’t think I agree that kids starting to edge her out of the friend group is them “being mean.” Everyone doesn’t have to be friends with everyone. If they are saying mean things to her, then that’s mean. But if they are trying to distance themselves a bit without saying anything mean, they are breaking up with her. That’s SUPER painful but not mean.

I’d be careful how you talk to her about this, OP. I think it’s important for kids to understand they can choose friendships and romantic relationships and they can start and stop both, but they need to do it kindly.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t think you have to force your kids to play with dolls, but you can prevent her from doing TikTok challenges and letting her a$$ hang out from her microskirt.

Oh wow. The Friday drunk mom moved from the elementary school board to here. Because ANY middle and high school parent know that zero teens are wearing “micro skirts” The style is baggy mom jeans, sweat pants, and crop or sport tops. Go too off your glass sweetie. Keep making a complete a$$ out of yourself.

And i don’t know one 6th grader playing with dolls. I sure didn’t either when I was in 6th grade. Stop babying teens.

6th graders aren't teens, they're kids. In fact, teens are kids as well.

My 6th grader is 12 so I guess they must stay like a child and miraculously turn teen at 13? There is a reason there are tween ages for 4-6th grade

Your kid is really old for the grade.

How? My child was also 12 in 6th grade. Graduated at 18. Isn’t that when most kids graduate? Many red shirts graduate at 19 so there can be 13yr olds in 6th grade too.

My son turned 13 in May of 6th grade.

That's because you held him back a year.

My daughter has a May birthday and started school on time, she will turn 12 in 6th grade.

Did you accidently wander here from the Elementary forum?
This is the Teen forum. No one cares.

NP. Did you not read the title of the post? It’s about 6th graders. And this is teens AND tweens forum.

But someone said tween wasn't a thing. So I agree with the PP. Go back to the kid's board.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t think you have to force your kids to play with dolls, but you can prevent her from doing TikTok challenges and letting her a$$ hang out from her microskirt.

Oh wow. The Friday drunk mom moved from the elementary school board to here. Because ANY middle and high school parent know that zero teens are wearing “micro skirts” The style is baggy mom jeans, sweat pants, and crop or sport tops. Go too off your glass sweetie. Keep making a complete a$$ out of yourself.

And i don’t know one 6th grader playing with dolls. I sure didn’t either when I was in 6th grade. Stop babying teens.

6th graders aren't teens, they're kids. In fact, teens are kids as well.

My 6th grader is 12 so I guess they must stay like a child and miraculously turn teen at 13? There is a reason there are tween ages for 4-6th grade

Your kid is really old for the grade.

How? My child was also 12 in 6th grade. Graduated at 18. Isn’t that when most kids graduate? Many red shirts graduate at 19 so there can be 13yr olds in 6th grade too.

My son turned 13 in May of 6th grade.

That's because you held him back a year.

My daughter has a May birthday and started school on time, she will turn 12 in 6th grade.

Did you accidently wander here from the Elementary forum?
This is the Teen forum. No one cares.

NP. Did you not read the title of the post? It’s about 6th graders. And this is teens AND tweens forum.

But someone said tween wasn't a thing. So I agree with the PP. Go back to the kid's board.

I said that tween hasn't been a thing for very long. Before it was just kids being kids. I think the concept of tween is silly and contributes to gers growing up to fast.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t think you have to force your kids to play with dolls, but you can prevent her from doing TikTok challenges and letting her a$$ hang out from her microskirt.

Oh wow. The Friday drunk mom moved from the elementary school board to here. Because ANY middle and high school parent know that zero teens are wearing “micro skirts” The style is baggy mom jeans, sweat pants, and crop or sport tops. Go too off your glass sweetie. Keep making a complete a$$ out of yourself.

And i don’t know one 6th grader playing with dolls. I sure didn’t either when I was in 6th grade. Stop babying teens.

6th graders aren't teens, they're kids. In fact, teens are kids as well.

My 6th grader is 12 so I guess they must stay like a child and miraculously turn teen at 13? There is a reason there are tween ages for 4-6th grade

Your kid is really old for the grade.

How? My child was also 12 in 6th grade. Graduated at 18. Isn’t that when most kids graduate? Many red shirts graduate at 19 so there can be 13yr olds in 6th grade too.

My son turned 13 in May of 6th grade.

That's because you held him back a year.

My daughter has a May birthday and started school on time, she will turn 12 in 6th grade.

Did you accidently wander here from the Elementary forum?
This is the Teen forum. No one cares.

NP. Did you not read the title of the post? It’s about 6th graders. And this is teens AND tweens forum.

But someone said tween wasn't a thing. So I agree with the PP. Go back to the kid's board.

I said that tween hasn't been a thing for very long. Before it was just kids being kids. I think the concept of tween is silly and contributes to gers growing up to fast.

DP. I don’t disagree about the concept of tweens, but girls can be mean and exclusionary long before ages 10-12. In my daughter’s case, the girl causing issues in PreK was the same one calling the shots in middle school. Some of it’s just personality.

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6th graders aren't teens, they're kids. In fact, teens are kids as well.

All correct, but none of it changes the fact that, as your child gets older, you cannot micromanage their lives the way you once did, including requiring them to stay friends with old friends - which was the issue in the original post here.

Again, how is it micro managing? If a friendship truly falls through then ok, but I'm not going to let my kid just dump friends for stupid reasons. So kids who may have different interests can't be friends? If they were ever real friends they can be.

Your post is EXACTLY micro managing friendships. You should have ZERO say in who they are friends with. ZERO, NONE, NADA. It doesn’t matter their reasoning or the consequences they may have afterwards. You are over-stepping and trying to soften blows and make sure no mistakes are made. And you wonder why so many kids/teens can not handle when things go wrong or when a mistake was made, etc… No grit, no autonomy, no learning from mistakes. Let’s make sure Mama steps in.

You are probably the kind of parent who doesn’t check their child’s phone either.

Hit a nerve huh? You realize how wrong you are so you deflect instead.

My kids as 6th graders never had a phone. Earliest was 7th for youngest. They are in 8th now and downtime is 10pm-3pm. 2 hour app time, no internet, restrictions set to clean and no downloading apps unless with a parent code. Oh and linked to my computer so if I need to read texts, they weren’t deleted. But I give them privacy, encourage face to face socialization, and if they come for advice I look at the other side of the story and give unbiased encouragement and feedback.

DP. You obviously favor the mean girls.

LOL - so wait, first you were called out on how incorrect you were and you retort with saying I probably don't check their phone

I tell you exactly how I do watch and watched their phones.

Your new retort to giving unbiased encouragement and feed back is now "you obviously favor mean girls"

Lady, you win. You are so right. I am so wrong for those suggestions. Does that make you feel better?