School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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He didn't have to be returned to that school - he had no "right" to return to that school - had his plan been uncovered before he actually killed some children. When you devise a way to terrorize the school - you lose.

Oh, so now you want zero tolerance because you think he's a white MAGA kid? Obama's admin just spent 8 years removing all of that because most frequently kicked out of and expelled from school were Black kids.

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The bullying poster making up the bullying narrative is way, way off base. I was horrifically bullied, so much so that I needed years of therapy and I will never really be entirely free of it. The bullying included sexual assault which was egged on by a group of kids. Really awful stuff. And yet, not once did it ever occur to me to kill my tormentors.

This is something else far beyond bullying.

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He didn't have to be returned to that school - he had no "right" to return to that school - had his plan been uncovered before he actually killed some children. When you devise a way to terrorize the school - you lose.

Oh, so now you want zero tolerance because you think he's a white MAGA kid? Obama's admin just spent 8 years removing all of that because most frequently kicked out of and expelled from school were Black kids.

Not that poster, but regardless of race there should be zero tolerance.

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He didn't have to be returned to that school - he had no "right" to return to that school - had his plan been uncovered before he actually killed some children. When you devise a way to terrorize the school - you lose.

Oh, so now you want zero tolerance because you think he's a white MAGA kid? Obama's admin just spent 8 years removing all of that because most frequently kicked out of and expelled from school were Black kids.

Not that poster, but regardless of race there should be zero tolerance.

Zero tolerance sounds much better in theory than in practice. It’s great for statistics because a student would have to be an utter moron to report anything lest it turn into a he said she said and result in both getting expelled

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

Extend the felony murder law to include weapons in a shared household.

If a person under your guardianship and residing in your household kills another person in a public building or grounds (hospital, school, post office, airport, military facility) with your gun, you will be charged with felony murder just like they are.

Yup. Hold the owner accountable.

But that’s not really gun control, is it?

DP. But it might successfully cause people to exercise more responsible control over their legally purchased guns. (Personally I wish we could look into steps other countries have successfully taken to drastically reduce the amount of people who can/do own guns, but... 2nd ammendment yadda yadda *sigh*)

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Anonymous wrote:Cops manage to arrest a school shooter without violence, again. Cops are masters of restraint when it’s a white kid shooting people

Why do you think the shooter was white?

Geography, demography, and sociology make it a safe bet. Not a sure bet, but a safe bet.

Surprise! He’s white!

And check out his parents. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter

I was pretty sure yesterday that this shooter was white. Not just demographics but the report that he put up his hands and was arrested. Cops would have shot a POC and claimed self-defense.

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Anonymous wrote:Cops manage to arrest a school shooter without violence, again. Cops are masters of restraint when it’s a white kid shooting people

Why do you think the shooter was white?

Geography, demography, and sociology make it a safe bet. Not a sure bet, but a safe bet.

Surprise! He’s white!

And check out his parents. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter

I was pretty sure yesterday that this shooter was white. Not just demographics but the report that he put up his hands and was arrested. Cops would have shot a POC and claimed self-defense.

This. We knew he was white once it was reported that he surrendered to police

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Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

So weird some pps are leaping to the conclusion that he was mercilessly bullied based on extremely thin evidence and ignoring other kids who say he wasn’t bullied, the fact that victims were random. AND the completely bizarre and disinhibited mom.

I would bet anyone a million dollars that this kid was not bullied, but rather he was radicalized online. Remember how the narrative came out about how the Columbine shooters were bullied by the "white hat" jocks? It was all bullshit. They were virulent white supremacists and posted it all online.

This. Look at his parents

Exactly!

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I hope the parents get their pants sued off them.

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Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

If you were wondering what the meeting was about it was probably this:

How the hell was this kid allowed on school property if he had been making credible threats of violence just the night before? Surely that's grounds for out of school suspension while there's an investigation...

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They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Most people have a reason for committing violence. Many of those who are in prisons now saw violence as kids and/or experienced that violence on them. Many of us were bullied as kids, yet we didn't get a gun and shoot people.

That doesn't excuse the violence. So, in the end, it doesn't matter what his motives were. He murdered kids; parents knew he had disciplinary issues and still kept a gun in the house.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these bullied beta males getting picked on are getting more and more enraged because they can't 'escape' who they were when they were bullied.

In the 70s, 80s, 90s - when you were a target of bullies eventually they would move on in a few months and everyone would forget you got stuffed into locker in February by summer.

But if kids are taping the acts for their texts, snapchats, twitters, and private accounts...your humiliation lives forever. I couldn't imagine knowing everyone had access to that in the school forever.

Still wouldn't kill someone over it but just a thought.

Social media is a huge part of it.

Cyber bullying increasingly plays a part in the suicide epidemic.

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States should mandate gun owners buy insurance the same way you are required to have car insurance in case someone uses your car to maim or kill someone. It would likely survive 2d amid challenge and would seriously cut back on this foolishness—the private insurance market would properly value the risk of owning automatic weapons and the risk of failing to have secure storage particularly when you have a teen in the house.