School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

How many angry, misanthropic murderer kids do you know?

And what qualifies as a super-villain? 5 deaths? 17 deaths? 20 deaths? Do we only get to hate the Ted Bundys of the world?

I think its funny you're trying to excuse the murderer when he literally killed more people than the Boston Marathon Bomber.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

If you were wondering what the meeting was about it was probably this:

How the hell was this kid allowed on school property if he had been making credible threats of violence just the night before? Surely that's grounds for out of school suspension while there's an investigation...

Good question. The parents sound like the types who would make a lot of excuses for their kid. I guarantee at least one teacher raised red flags about this kid well ahead of the incident and school officials sat on their hands and discouraged disciplinary referrals.

[Anonymous]

This kid is not a villain, he’s a murderer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

If you were wondering what the meeting was about it was probably this:

How the hell was this kid allowed on school property if he had been making credible threats of violence just the night before? Surely that's grounds for out of school suspension while there's an investigation...

Good question. The parents sound like the types who would make a lot of excuses for their kid. I guarantee at least one teacher raised red flags about this kid well ahead of the incident and school officials sat on their hands and discouraged disciplinary referrals.

The kid was called into the school administration office on Monday. His parents were called in on Tuesday morning. He shot up the school Tuesday afternoon. I guarantee the Tuesday conversation went along the lines of 'We're suspending Ethan effective Wednesday or we are referring him for review yada yada'. He either had the gun in his school backpack the whole time WHILE TALKING TO HIS PARENTS or he went home, retrieved it without the parents knowing, and came back to the school.

Either way its chilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

That’s what I think. Guns, and easy access to guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

How many angry, misanthropic murderer kids do you know?

And what qualifies as a super-villain? 5 deaths? 17 deaths? 20 deaths? Do we only get to hate the Ted Bundys of the world?

I think its funny you're trying to excuse the murderer when he literally killed more people than the Boston Marathon Bomber.

Your reading comprehension is terrible, PP. T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. The point is that this kid is like so many of the misanthropes in the world EXCEPT he got his hands on a gun. With the energy you're pouring into trying to explain his motives know that A) his motives were all actualized by a gun and B) Guns are the reason this country (the USA; going to be super specific bc of aforementioned reading comp issues) is so damn dangerous - even our kids can't go to school without the threat of death by gun and C) You can try and try to explain this away through other means but the gun lobby has created this hell hole. Face it. Do something about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

How many angry, misanthropic murderer kids do you know?

And what qualifies as a super-villain? 5 deaths? 17 deaths? 20 deaths? Do we only get to hate the Ted Bundys of the world?

I think its funny you're trying to excuse the murderer when he literally killed more people than the Boston Marathon Bomber.

Your reading comprehension is terrible, PP. T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. The point is that this kid is like so many of the misanthropes in the world EXCEPT he got his hands on a gun. With the energy you're pouring into trying to explain his motives know that A) his motives were all actualized by a gun and B) Guns are the reason this country (the USA; going to be super specific bc of aforementioned reading comp issues) is so damn dangerous - even our kids can't go to school without the threat of death by gun and C) You can try and try to explain this away through other means but the gun lobby has created this hell hole. Face it. Do something about it.

I don't live in the state with the NRA headquarters up the street. Why don't you pitch a tent and protest their presence? Do something about it.

[Anonymous]

How does one become this? I’m really asking. I know everyone says when its a white guy they say they’re mentally
Ill. I do think its terrorism. But don’t you have to be mentally ill on some level to do this? Psychotic break? Just evil? What is it, psychologically?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

Both Klebold and Harris were dead at the scene so you never saw them in a photo that “looks just like this.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

Both Klebold and Harris were dead at the scene so you never saw them in a photo that “looks just like this.”

Mute face, unrepentant gaze, bad haircuts, and unattractive look. Yeah, reminds me of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does one become this? I’m really asking. I know everyone says when its a white guy they say they’re mentally
Ill. I do think its terrorism. But don’t you have to be mentally ill on some level to do this? Psychotic break? Just evil? What is it, psychologically?

I vote for pure evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it's really high time that adult gun owner be charged when their guns are taken by their kids or others and kill. the father of the murdered bought the gun on Friday, on Monday and Tuesday the child was called in for a meeting about his behavior (the father was called to the school too on Tuesday bacause of his kid's worrysome behavior). he clearly did not secure the gun since his kid took it. if the 2a gives people the right to bear arms, it does not gibe them the right to be irrespomsible owners. when a kid gets a parent's gun and kills, the parent should go to jail too and do time. i keep seeing over and over cases where kids find guns around the house, kiil themselves or a sibling and then the police conclude it was a terrible accident, no charges, the family is already suffering enough. gun owners should be charged when they do not keep their guns secure and locked.

Thank you. Some bare minimum responsibility for the carnage and deaths should be borne by the gun OWNERS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.

So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?

Don’t give a shit. Lock him up and throw away the key.