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Anonymous wrote:What do spankers make of all the average to well behaved children whose parents haven't/wouldn't spank? Given that it's obviously possible to raise children with fine behavior without resorting to spanking, what is the appeal of dpanking? Do you believe it works "faster"? Or do you not believe that there are lots of well behaved children whose parents would never spank?

I'm not looking for simply average-behaved kids, especially not by DCUM standards. Additionally, I want to do as little disciplining as possible, and spend the most time as possible in a non-disciplinary mode. I don't want to be enforcing timeouts, or spending my parenting energy managing various lost and restored privileges for each kid. No, I prefer simple, concrete, swift and effective discipline that is over and done with just as quickly. That's the advantage.

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So ... what do you do if your 3 year old misbehaves in public?

np. The possibility of a spanking is usually enough, but in maybe one instance, we went to the car.

Wow, if you spank your 3 year old enough to have them cowed into 100% good behavior in public ... that's a lot of spanking/scaring.

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Anonymous wrote:What do spankers make of all the average to well behaved children whose parents haven't/wouldn't spank? Given that it's obviously possible to raise children with fine behavior without resorting to spanking, what is the appeal of dpanking? Do you believe it works "faster"? Or do you not believe that there are lots of well behaved children whose parents would never spank?

I'm not looking for simply average-behaved kids, especially not by DCUM standards. Additionally, I want to do as little disciplining as possible, and spend the most time as possible in a non-disciplinary mode. I don't want to be enforcing timeouts, or spending my parenting energy managing various lost and restored privileges for each kid. No, I prefer simple, concrete, swift and effective discipline that is over and done with just as quickly. That's the advantage.

+1000

So ... what do you do if your 3 year old misbehaves in public?

np. The possibility of a spanking is usually enough, but in maybe one instance, we went to the car.

I didn't realize I felt so strongly about this until reading this thread. This makes me feel physically sick, as does the PP who said they calmly spank their child's bare bottom. This is a normalized form of child abuse. This is not parenting or disciplining. It's hitting and hurting the people you are here to protect.

+100000 Yes, yes, yes. We would never think it was OK to hit a coworker or a person on the street or a sales person for being rude to you, but somehow, it is OK to hit a child - a person smaller, without defenses, who is completely vulnerable and dependent to you, the parent? Absolutely not. Violence is violence is violence, and spanking a child is just that - a somehow socially acceptable method of teaching children right from wrong. It is totally and completely unacceptable and should most certainly be disallowed.

but it would be ok to send them to a time-out? how many time does need to be pointed out that these analogies make no sense whatsoever.

The point is that physical violence would be off the table. In the workplace (if you had authority over the person), yes, positive discipline tactics for employees and chilren are in fact very similar, of course with adjustments for age appropriateness.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

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I have a 4 year old who could be considered a difficult child, and the older he gets the less likely it is that I'd use physical discipline on him. It's totally clear that he needs teaching, not punishing. Sometimes I do give him time outs but TBH I know that's lazy parenting and usually it's really to give me a time out.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a 4 year old who could be considered a difficult child, and the older he gets the less likely it is that I'd use physical discipline on him. It's totally clear that he needs teaching, not punishing. Sometimes I do give him time outs but TBH I know that's lazy parenting and usually it's really to give me a time out.

I wonder why he's so difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

What I believe is that PHYSICAL punishment is never okay. Under any circumstances. For anyone in my life. Ever. No logical fallacy there. I will not hit anyone, nor allow anyone I love to be hit. Adult or child.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

What I believe is that PHYSICAL punishment is never okay. Under any circumstances. For anyone in my life. Ever. No logical fallacy there. I will not hit anyone, nor allow anyone I love to be hit. Adult or child.

Why is physical punishment, specifically, not OK?

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

What I believe is that PHYSICAL punishment is never okay. Under any circumstances. For anyone in my life. Ever. No logical fallacy there. I will not hit anyone, nor allow anyone I love to be hit. Adult or child.

If that's what you believe, you should actually explain that, and why. Not make half-witted and irrelevant analogies to coworkers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a 4 year old who could be considered a difficult child, and the older he gets the less likely it is that I'd use physical discipline on him. It's totally clear that he needs teaching, not punishing. Sometimes I do give him time outs but TBH I know that's lazy parenting and usually it's really to give me a time out.

I wonder why he's so difficult.

Three guesses (np). Listen to his wing-ding mother.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

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also, what is so special about physical element? you sound weirdly puritan.


"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

What I believe is that PHYSICAL punishment is never okay. Under any circumstances. For anyone in my life. Ever. No logical fallacy there. I will not hit anyone, nor allow anyone I love to be hit. Adult or child.

If that's what you believe, you should actually explain that, and why. Not make half-witted and irrelevant analogies to coworkers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a 4 year old who could be considered a difficult child, and the older he gets the less likely it is that I'd use physical discipline on him. It's totally clear that he needs teaching, not punishing. Sometimes I do give him time outs but TBH I know that's lazy parenting and usually it's really to give me a time out.

I wonder why he's so difficult.

Three guesses (np). Listen to his wing-ding mother.

If you must know ... some of my child's main issues are aggression with other children, anxiety, and being high-strung in general. Hard to see how spanking him would in any way improve those issues. Not a single child care professional has ever recommended it. Instead, the recommendation is a system of positive discipline, which he responds to beautifully.

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Anonymous wrote:What do spankers make of all the average to well behaved children whose parents haven't/wouldn't spank? Given that it's obviously possible to raise children with fine behavior without resorting to spanking, what is the appeal of dpanking? Do you believe it works "faster"? Or do you not believe that there are lots of well behaved children whose parents would never spank?

I'm not looking for simply average-behaved kids, especially not by DCUM standards. Additionally, I want to do as little disciplining as possible, and spend the most time as possible in a non-disciplinary mode. I don't want to be enforcing timeouts, or spending my parenting energy managing various lost and restored privileges for each kid. No, I prefer simple, concrete, swift and effective discipline that is over and done with just as quickly. That's the advantage.

+1000

So ... what do you do if your 3 year old misbehaves in public?

np. The possibility of a spanking is usually enough, but in maybe one instance, we went to the car.

Wow, if you spank your 3 year old enough to have them cowed into 100% good behavior in public ... that's a lot of spanking/scaring.

You make a lot of strawman assumptions, but it's not that often, and it's obviously more effective than alternatives (with a lot less total punishing).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do spankers make of all the average to well behaved children whose parents haven't/wouldn't spank? Given that it's obviously possible to raise children with fine behavior without resorting to spanking, what is the appeal of dpanking? Do you believe it works "faster"? Or do you not believe that there are lots of well behaved children whose parents would never spank?

I'm not looking for simply average-behaved kids, especially not by DCUM standards. Additionally, I want to do as little disciplining as possible, and spend the most time as possible in a non-disciplinary mode. I don't want to be enforcing timeouts, or spending my parenting energy managing various lost and restored privileges for each kid. No, I prefer simple, concrete, swift and effective discipline that is over and done with just as quickly. That's the advantage.

+1000

So ... what do you do if your 3 year old misbehaves in public?

np. The possibility of a spanking is usually enough, but in maybe one instance, we went to the car.

Wow, if you spank your 3 year old enough to have them cowed into 100% good behavior in public ... that's a lot of spanking/scaring.

You make a lot of strawman assumptions, but it's not that often, and it's obviously more effective than alternatives (with a lot less total punishing).

Whatever. Spanking is trashy. I feel sorry for your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:What do spankers make of all the average to well behaved children whose parents haven't/wouldn't spank? Given that it's obviously possible to raise children with fine behavior without resorting to spanking, what is the appeal of dpanking? Do you believe it works "faster"? Or do you not believe that there are lots of well behaved children whose parents would never spank?

I'm not looking for simply average-behaved kids, especially not by DCUM standards. Additionally, I want to do as little disciplining as possible, and spend the most time as possible in a non-disciplinary mode. I don't want to be enforcing timeouts, or spending my parenting energy managing various lost and restored privileges for each kid. No, I prefer simple, concrete, swift and effective discipline that is over and done with just as quickly. That's the advantage.

+1000

So ... what do you do if your 3 year old misbehaves in public?

np. The possibility of a spanking is usually enough, but in maybe one instance, we went to the car.

Wow, if you spank your 3 year old enough to have them cowed into 100% good behavior in public ... that's a lot of spanking/scaring.

You make a lot of strawman assumptions, but it's not that often, and it's obviously more effective than alternatives (with a lot less total punishing).

Whatever. Spanking is trashy. I feel sorry for your kid.

Ahh yes, and we see that what was initially masquerading as educated discourse ultimately crumbles into the tedious old DCUM slurs. So convincing, you are.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, spanking is not discipline. It's punishment. Discipline teaches, punishment punishes and then scares. If that's what you want to do fine, but let's call it what it is. Lots of things "work" with kids but that doesn't mean they are effective in the long run. It would also be really quick and easy for me to give in to every single thing my 3 year old wants. We'd never have tantrums and he'd be happy as a clam. I'd also be raising a monster. No one likes disciplining their kid, but you are raising an adult, not a kid and you have to think about who you want that adult to be. Teaching children to think through their actions, to explain cause-and-effect and to think, will help them much more in the long run. Not to mention that children learn all about what to expect in relationships from their parents. I certainly wouldn't allow someone to hit me when they didn't like something I did so why should our children expect to be hit? Sure, there are lots of things kids can't do or expect, that adults can, but there is nothing about respect and the give and take of a relationship that differs, whether you are talking about an adult or a child.

As for the studies, yes they are mixed. Some of them are garbage (on both sides). And generally, if children are in a loving home where their needs are met they will probably be fine whether you spank or not. But there is absolutely no evidence that it works, in the long term, to teach kids anything about behavior, relationships, or consequences.

It definitely teaches about consequences. However, it's certainly not the ONLY thing you would ever do in terms of teaching and discipline, so saying that it works, but doesn't teach about "relationships" is more than a little disingenuous. It's a punishment to correct bad behavior in that moment. If it works in the short term, it works.

"If it works in the short term, it works." Nope. Not even close to true for many things in life, especially raising a child - in which, short term fixes rarely work for anything long term. Every single minute of a child's development is the way in which they learn about the world. Short cuts happen because they have to for parents to be sane and functional. But just because something appears to "work" in the short term, says nothing about how it works over the long term. Spanking "works" in the short term for PARENTS. It never "works" for kids.

Also, even if you don't buy into the "spanking does harm" literature...what's the defense for it? What's the argument against teaching your children about respect, kindness, gentleness, and appropriate boundaries? My son knows it is never okay to hurt someone - himself, other people, animals. There are no exceptions to this rule. I teach him that because I believe it's just as true for adults as for kids. Inflicting physical pain or threat is never the way I want anyone in my life to act, much less a lesson I want my son to learn.

If you believe that it's never OK to punish a child in any form, I think you're a little bit wacky, but nobody could say that you're logically inconsistent or hypocritical. However, if you believe that sometimes, some form of punishment is appropriate (including punishments that would not be considered appropriate for your coworker), then you're arguments are meaningless by logical fallacy.

What I believe is that PHYSICAL punishment is never okay. Under any circumstances. For anyone in my life. Ever. No logical fallacy there. I will not hit anyone, nor allow anyone I love to be hit. Adult or child.

If that's what you believe, you should actually explain that, and why. Not make half-witted and irrelevant analogies to coworkers.

PP here - I am not the one who posted about co-workers. Sorry if there was confusion there. I never said anything about co-workers. I think multiple threads are being confused. To the PP who asked why I don't believe in physical punishment - I don't believe anyone should be physically hurt by another person as punishment. I don't believe it's effective and more importantly, I don't believe that that's how we should treat each other. Adults or children.