Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

Yeah, attacking the messenger without having the competency or intelligence to make your case is the crown of stupidity. Do you know what adhominem attack means?

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Gosh, blue states don't have addicts?

No, silly! Only whites in red states. Everyone else is a productive citizen. Duh!

I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

How funny. The PPP (you?) made yet *another* hateful remark about red staters and all you can do is call out the rebuttal? I don’t “hate” liberals. I just have zero respect for you and zero intention of ever voting for one of your moronic candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Gosh, blue states don't have addicts?

No, silly! Only whites in red states. Everyone else is a productive citizen. Duh!

I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

How funny. The PPP (you?) made yet *another* hateful remark about red staters and all you can do is call out the rebuttal? I don’t “hate” liberals. I just have zero respect for you and zero intention of ever voting for one of your moronic candidates.

Well said.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

This. The above link to PBS has through detailed analysis but the cult 45 members won’t even bother to read and educate themselves. They would rather just believe the Australian channel propaganda and lies of the twitter troll precedent. Shame on them and they are dragging down America by supporting a Russian puppet who defended Putin again and said Russia didn’t interfere in our elections.

Why do you constantly repeat yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats abandoned the American worker to suck zuckerberg’s pecker and bow down to other big tech criminals that outsource jobs

That’s what an Australian channel brainwashed cult 45 member will say. No surprise there.

Who killed the unions?
Who favors corporations/rich people and give them tax cut after tax cuts while cutting education and healthcare budgets of the middle class?
Who tried to take away Obamacare ?
Who said trickle down from the rich will help the middle class?

We know republicans hate workers. No new news there. What is wrong is that the Democrats, the party traditionally championing workers, has abandoned them to go after Hispanic and immigrants. Millions of illlegal aliens have kept wages flat for a generation of low skilled workers. Older Dems would not have supported this, they could see the difference between a racist and someone helping their neighbor first.

Millions of illegal aliens and millions of legal immigrants have overwhelmed the supply of cheap low skilled workers, keeping wages low and billionaires happy.

That the democrats support and promote this is tough to see , no wonder trump beat Hillary.

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Anonymous wrote:So for those of you on the right who are chastising left wing government programs as "socialism," how do you defend Donald Trump embracing an actual socialist in Kim Jung Un?

You embrace an “actual socialist” named Bernie Sanders.

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

This. The above link to PBS has through detailed analysis but the cult 45 members won’t even bother to read and educate themselves. They would rather just believe the Australian channel propaganda and lies of the twitter troll precedent. Shame on them and they are dragging down America by supporting a Russian puppet who defended Putin again and said Russia didn’t interfere in our elections.

Why do you constantly repeat yourself?

Because the cult 45 traitors need some hammering to get the message that they are stupid to support a liar and Russian puppet who is enacting a broad reality tv presidency without any substance.

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“That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only. “

This is accurate. As for the PPs slamming the poster for providing real world and common sense info that is “counter” to the data - do none of you work for companies that do studies? Data they spit out are determined by how the study is structured. So if you say “are immigrants THEMSELVES a net benefit or drain on FEDERAL resources” the answer will be yes as they mostly do not qualify for stuff yet pay payroll taxes.

Not included here usually are the costs of their children - many citizens but that would not be here and using public resources if their parents did not come here.

So school costs, strains on local and state public services are somehow magically not counted.

Likewise in some studies they omit benefits the kids may be eligible for like Medicaid buexause they are citizens rather than putting these together with the cost of the parents showing up here. The study PBS linked to also seemed to indicate it was only considering legal immigrants not illegal ones as data was harder to gather on them.

Data can be made to say all sorts of things...

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.

You rich liberals in your gated community

Come visit title one schools in fairfax. Sterling middle school is overwhelmed with problems from Democrat immigration laws. It is chaos, kids in broken families with no money and no guardians, not enough resources. But no Langley or Mclean parents care, these kids never show up at their schools

All immigrants wanting asylum should be sent to great falls until adjudication.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Since you’re all about the data, when are you going to acknowledge the data that other PPs posted re: highest opioid use is in DC, not to mention other BLUE cities and states? Looks like you guys were dead wrong when you made your false statement about red states being “takers.” How long will it take you to admit that?

And btw, your posts are beyond bizarre and unintelligible.

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“Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.”

Yes exactly. PP who thinks this is not common - where do you live? It cannot be anywhere that many illegal or law wage immigrants live since you have your head in the sand on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats abandoned the American worker to suck zuckerberg’s pecker and bow down to other big tech criminals that outsource jobs

That’s what an Australian channel brainwashed cult 45 member will say. No surprise there.

Who killed the unions?
Who favors corporations/rich people and give them tax cut after tax cuts while cutting education and healthcare budgets of the middle class?
Who tried to take away Obamacare ?
Who said trickle down from the rich will help the middle class?

We know republicans hate workers. No new news there. What is wrong is that the Democrats, the party traditionally championing workers, has abandoned them to go after Hispanic and immigrants. Millions of illlegal aliens have kept wages flat for a generation of low skilled workers. Older Dems would not have supported this, they could see the difference between a racist and someone helping their neighbor first.

Millions of illegal aliens and millions of legal immigrants have overwhelmed the supply of cheap low skilled workers, keeping wages low and billionaires happy.

That the democrats support and promote this is tough to see , no wonder trump beat Hillary.

That’s BS. Just because you show empathy to refugees doesn’t mean the dems abandoned the workers. The problem is without unions the workers lose the power of collective voice against the rich men and corporations. So the workers should vote out every republican everywhere and then rebuild the unions, form new unions for every job class. Instead the workers are being fooled by the GOP by blaming the brown people for their problems. It’s the rich who outsourced the jobs and it’s the exec who put a machine to do the job. Most workers are actually smart and support Bernie and warren.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats abandoned the American worker to suck zuckerberg’s pecker and bow down to other big tech criminals that outsource jobs

That’s what an Australian channel brainwashed cult 45 member will say. No surprise there.

Who killed the unions?
Who favors corporations/rich people and give them tax cut after tax cuts while cutting education and healthcare budgets of the middle class?
Who tried to take away Obamacare ?
Who said trickle down from the rich will help the middle class?

We know republicans hate workers. No new news there. What is wrong is that the Democrats, the party traditionally championing workers, has abandoned them to go after Hispanic and immigrants. Millions of illlegal aliens have kept wages flat for a generation of low skilled workers. Older Dems would not have supported this, they could see the difference between a racist and someone helping their neighbor first.

Millions of illegal aliens and millions of legal immigrants have overwhelmed the supply of cheap low skilled workers, keeping wages low and billionaires happy.

That the democrats support and promote this is tough to see , no wonder trump beat Hillary.

Time for pelosi to push for the h5 visa. So uncles and aunts can get work while waiting for green cards for their nieces and nephews. We have worked so hard we deserve it

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

That's complete bullshit. I break the speed limit daily as do any of number of people I do. And, yet, despite being ILLEGAL drivers, most of us contribute a great deal to society. Don't be an idiot.

lots of people would contribute to America given a chance. Countries still want to pick and choose who comes and who doesn't. As they should.

Absolutely. Why would any American want to turn the US into a third world country?