Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

+1. You have to be strong as steel to migrate to this country across Mexico, far stronger than the people popping opioids because life has them down.

So why don’t those steely Central Americans fix their own countries? They obviously work hard and have gumption.

Because their governments murder them. Given Trump's love for rulers who murder their people, you might be numb to this fact, but it's a real impediment to making things better.

So dramatic. With all that murderin', Central America is still full of people, go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats abandoned the American worker to suck zuckerberg’s pecker and bow down to other big tech criminals that outsource jobs

That’s what an Australian channel brainwashed cult 45 member will say. No surprise there.

Who killed the unions?
Who favors corporations/rich people and give them tax cut after tax cuts while cutting education and healthcare budgets of the middle class?
Who tried to take away Obamacare ?
Who said trickle down from the rich will help the middle class?

We know republicans hate workers. No new news there. What is wrong is that the Democrats, the party traditionally championing workers, has abandoned them to go after Hispanic and immigrants. Millions of illlegal aliens have kept wages flat for a generation of low skilled workers. Older Dems would not have supported this, they could see the difference between a racist and someone helping their neighbor first.

Millions of illegal aliens and millions of legal immigrants have overwhelmed the supply of cheap low skilled workers, keeping wages low and billionaires happy.

That the democrats support and promote this is tough to see , no wonder trump beat Hillary.

That’s BS. Just because you show empathy to refugees doesn’t mean the dems abandoned the workers. The problem is without unions the workers lose the power of collective voice against the rich men and corporations. So the workers should vote out every republican everywhere and then rebuild the unions, form new unions for every job class. Instead the workers are being fooled by the GOP by blaming the brown people for their problems. It’s the rich who outsourced the jobs and it’s the exec who put a machine to do the job. Most workers are actually smart and support Bernie and warren.

A few years back, at an event held at Stanford, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg told the audience: “I want to stress the importance of being young and technical. Young people are just smarter.”

Zuckerberg, Democrat that wants more cheap temporary guest workers. Pelosi favorite .

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

Yeah, attacking the messenger without having the competency or intelligence to make your case is the crown of stupidity. Do you know what adhominem attack means?

Sure do. And I also know it’s two words, not one. Look, you’ve been monopolizing every thread with your insults directed toward Trump voters and you have the nerve to complain when we give it right back to you? Grow up.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Since you’re all about the data, when are you going to acknowledge the data that other PPs posted re: highest opioid use is in DC, not to mention other BLUE cities and states? Looks like you guys were dead wrong when you made your false statement about red states being “takers.” How long will it take you to admit that?

And btw, your posts are beyond bizarre and unintelligible.

The conned cult members too stupid to read and understand data. It is simply much easier to listen to the Australian channel propaganda and the Twitter lies of the liar-in-chief.

Bye your posts never make a case. All you do is ad hominem attacks and straw man argument.

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^^^ BTW

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

Yeah, attacking the messenger without having the competency or intelligence to make your case is the crown of stupidity. Do you know what adhominem attack means?

Sure do. And I also know it’s two words, not one. Look, you’ve been monopolizing every thread with your insults directed toward Trump voters and you have the nerve to complain when we give it right back to you? Grow up.

You trumpsters are too thick to give back anything that makes any sense. You never could Make a case why the conman hasn’t made e-verify mandatory and why he hires illegals. You guys are just hypocrite, liars. Just face that you guys don’t like “others” and that’s why love the harassment without any solution.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

Yeah, attacking the messenger without having the competency or intelligence to make your case is the crown of stupidity. Do you know what adhominem attack means?

Sure do. And I also know it’s two words, not one. Look, you’ve been monopolizing every thread with your insults directed toward Trump voters and you have the nerve to complain when we give it right back to you? Grow up.

Exactly.

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Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

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^pp above.
these studies look at household costs not just individual costs that ignore the cost of children.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

So you could a biased source from 1996 to bolster your case.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

No, high school teachers don't need college degrees. We just hop into a school and demand jobs. That's how it works.

You clearly have no clue. Instead of addressing the issues facing schools TODAY, you denigrate the experiences of teachers.

You can continue to live in your bubble, however. I'm glad I'm aware. I respect my experiences, and they've allowed me to make some educated decisions about my own children's schooling.

FWIW, I am very familiar with gangs, especially the Mafia, which still exists today in full force. But they're not infiltrating our classrooms. So you can stop right there.

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Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

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In February 2019, 66,450 migrants crossed the US/Mexico border between official border crossings and were apprehended by US Border Patrol agents, committing the misdemeanor of illegal entry.

t’s a sharp increase from January and marks an 11-year high. But the number reflects an ongoing trend: record numbers of families coming to the US without papers.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

No, high school teachers don't need college degrees. We just hop into a school and demand jobs. That's how it works.

You clearly have no clue. Instead of addressing the issues facing schools TODAY, you denigrate the experiences of teachers.

You can continue to live in your bubble, however. I'm glad I'm aware. I respect my experiences, and they've allowed me to make some educated decisions about my own children's schooling.

FWIW, I am very familiar with gangs, especially the Mafia, which still exists today in full force. But they're not infiltrating our classrooms. So you can stop right there.

+1 another educator here

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

Almost two-thirds of Border Patrol apprehensions are of parents and their children. While we don’t have complete historical data, it seems likely that more families are coming to the US without papers than ever before. Additionally, a large share of migrants (both families and single adults) are expressing a desire to seek asylum.

Both groups are overwhelmingly coming from the Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump

This graph is something we are supposed to be excited about? Because even though there isn’t complete historical data to compare it to?

An 11 year high of illegal immigration is not positive. And explains why BP is having issues dealing.