Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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with many families, not will

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

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Anonymous wrote:
That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out.

Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Trump thanks you in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:
That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

actually, they need you to pay for the migrants....major australia paper did a study around 2012 and found that after five years in-country, 95% of migrants were still unemployed on welfare/benefit/state aid.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

What you see isn’t backed by data. This is the line about intelligence. You can’t add up all anecdotes to make a case. Data makes the case that your delusions aren’t true. If you are educated and actually care about the issue, read the pbs link above to really understand the issue, not just be conned into believing lies.

How many gang fights in my former high school constitute valid research? This is just my experience in my hallway. I'd have to ask my former colleagues on the other two floors what they've seen in their hallways and in the cafeteria.

Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats abandoned the American worker to suck zuckerberg’s pecker and bow down to other big tech criminals that outsource jobs

That’s what an Australian channel brainwashed cult 45 member will say. No surprise there.

Who killed the unions?
Who favors corporations/rich people and give them tax cut after tax cuts while cutting education and healthcare budgets of the middle class?
Who tried to take away Obamacare ?
Who said trickle down from the rich will help the middle class?

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

+1. You have to be strong as steel to migrate to this country across Mexico, far stronger than the people popping opioids because life has them down.

So why don’t those steely Central Americans fix their own countries? They obviously work hard and have gumption.

+1
Or migrate to South America? Why come north?

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

That's complete bullshit. I break the speed limit daily as do any of number of people I do. And, yet, despite being ILLEGAL drivers, most of us contribute a great deal to society. Don't be an idiot.

lots of people would contribute to America given a chance. Countries still want to pick and choose who comes and who doesn't. As they should.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

+1. You have to be strong as steel to migrate to this country across Mexico, far stronger than the people popping opioids because life has them down.

So why don’t those steely Central Americans fix their own countries? They obviously work hard and have gumption.

Because their governments murder them. Given Trump's love for rulers who murder their people, you might be numb to this fact, but it's a real impediment to making things better.

So dramatic. With all that murderin', Central America is still full of people, go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:
Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

Not PP. I think you aren’t getting what PP is telling you. Individual situation is different based on their own life choices and circumstances. In a vast and diverse country, one person’s story alone doesn’t tell the whole story. It’s the data that captures the whole. What about the pain of kids who are born here and are Americans but their parents are undocumented ? You can’t take away the rights of American citizen kids for education in their country. It’s not their fault their parents are poor and came here for a better life. the world is a complex place and you think it is as simple as you are.