S/O Why do you care if moms stay home?

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Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

You really are a piece of work. How many times have you posted on the two threads going? There is a commonality to a bunch of comments from a SAHM who seems very hostile to working moms.

Sticks and stones... Your life sucks and instead of blaming your low earning DH or low paying employer, you attack SAHMs on an anonymous forum. You are getting the same treatment back. And yes, since I am taking a dump, this is the perfect time to go on DCUM and shine a light on deluded and bitter people. Infact, a new thread has been started so all of you can brainstorm about how not to buy the myth of others knowing what is good for you.

Do I care that your kid is in daycare? Not really. I do not care what your choice is as long as I have my choice of staying with my kids. The only way I had the choice was to quit work and stop making the big bucks, and it was a sacrifice that I was willing to and able to make. Others choose to work and that is their choice.

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Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

You really are a piece of work. How many times have you posted on the two threads going? There is a commonality to a bunch of comments from a SAHM who seems very hostile to working moms.

Sticks and stones... Your life sucks and instead of blaming your low earning DH or low paying employer, you attack SAHMs on an anonymous forum. You are getting the same treatment back. And yes, since I am taking a dump, this is the perfect time to go on DCUM and shine a light on deluded and bitter people. Infact, a new thread has been started so all of you can brainstorm about how not to buy the myth of others knowing what is good for you.

Do I care that your kid is in daycare? Not really. I do not care what your choice is as long as I have my choice of staying with my kids. The only way I had the choice was to quit work and stop making the big bucks, and it was a sacrifice that I was willing to and able to make. Others choose to work and that is their choice.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

The only light you are shining is on yourself. You say you don't care, but it is clear you care very much. You feel the need come on here and discuss your choice, your sacrifice. You feel the need to take pot-shots at working women and daycare, even as you say you don't care about these working women or their choices. But clearly, you do. I suspect you have posted a lot on these threads with the same themes popping up over and over. Why are you so angry?

And you started the working moms fighting for better work conditions thread, didn't you, just so you could bait some more.

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Anonymous wrote:This subject makes my head spin. I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I SAH with my own kids. Unreal and so, so insecure.

Similarly, I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I WOH. And yet, based on the comments I've gotten, clearly some people do. See, unfortunately, it works both ways.

You do you, I'll take care of my own family. I have no issues with WOH, SAH, WAH, whatever. I have friends in all those categories. What I don't appreciate are the comments and insinuations that I am somehow "less than" as a mother because my DD is in daycare 40 hours a week.

This.

To the first PP, we don't care what you do. We care if you attack us for our choices.

That is why some SAHMs have come on here to respond to the PPs that have intimated that stay at home parents are somehow hurting other women or whatever nonsense some crazy PP has posted.

That is why some working moms have come on here to respond to PPs that assert that working moms don't care about their kids or are bitter or whatever nonsense some PPs have hurled.

I really believe that, like the second quoted PP, most of us don't really judge other moms for how they manage their family in terms of working or not, full-time or not, outside the home or not. We only step up to the line when someone else tell US they we are bad moms for the choices WE have made. It's defense of self, not attack of you.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a wohm. I admit that it’s a constant struggle between wanting to spend time with kids but also working. I want both! I spent so many years in school and am excited about my career. I also love my kids! I look for flexible jobs that will allow me to be home early to pick them up from preschool.

I sometimes feel guilty when sahms say, “i want to be there for my kids,” “family first,” “i could never send them to daycare/nanny,” “can’t trust anyone,” etc.

At work, I feel bad for having to draw the line and say I can’t do certain things bc of my kids.

It would be amazing if the sahms and wohms, non parents - EVERYONE- understood that raising good kids is a benefit to society. If that means wohms who have more flexible schedules offer other wohms to carpool more or sahms offer to help the wahms bc they have more time, that would be great! Employers understanding that parents (not just moms) need flexibility is amaing. We need everyone to help each other and not just focus on our nuclear family. If we did this, society would be so mich better off

I don't. Seriously, I don't care what you do, but the minute a woman says something suggesting that women who work don't love their kids as much, I write them off as a piece of shit. Seriously. I don't care what you do, but insinuating that other mothers don't love their kids makes you a garbage person. Period. It's worse, IMO, than thinking that women who stay at home are lazy or whatever.

Do whatever you want--work, don't--but keep your sanctimonious self-justification to yourself.

I am a SAHM who could never put my infant in daycare, but I don’t think that mean I love my kids more than someone who has no problem putting their child in daycare. I see that most daycare families are happy and healthy. I would never say unprompted to a WOHM that I couldn’t put my baby in daycare, but if you really really pressed me for the truth, then that’s what it would be. I sort of liken it to open marriages - like I have friends with open marriages and they seem very happy, abd I’m happy for them, but I could never do it. Anyway, I think this is why it’s best to just not talk about reasons for staying home or working - just get the information and move on to another topic.

I can't believe you just compared putting an infant in daycare to open marriage.

We know all we need to know about you right there. Stop pretending you are tolerant of others' choices. You are the epitome of the sanctimonious self-justification type. Did you post the eye-opener post, too?

No I did not post the eye opener post. I’m sorry, I did not mean daycare is equivalent to open marriage. I meant more that it’s a different emotional choice that someone else would make that I would not make, but it doesn’t mean I think that other person’s emotions are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This subject makes my head spin. I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I SAH with my own kids. Unreal and so, so insecure.

Similarly, I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I WOH. And yet, based on the comments I've gotten, clearly some people do. See, unfortunately, it works both ways.

You do you, I'll take care of my own family. I have no issues with WOH, SAH, WAH, whatever. I have friends in all those categories. What I don't appreciate are the comments and insinuations that I am somehow "less than" as a mother because my DD is in daycare 40 hours a week.

This.

To the first PP, we don't care what you do. We care if you attack us for our choices.

That is why some SAHMs have come on here to respond to the PPs that have intimated that stay at home parents are somehow hurting other women or whatever nonsense some crazy PP has posted.

That is why some working moms have come on here to respond to PPs that assert that working moms don't care about their kids or are bitter or whatever nonsense some PPs have hurled.

I really believe that, like the second quoted PP, most of us don't really judge other moms for how they manage their family in terms of working or not, full-time or not, outside the home or not. We only step up to the line when someone else tell US they we are bad moms for the choices WE have made. It's defense of self, not attack of you.

While I agree with you in regards to my own thoughts on others (I don’t judge family choices and I really admire most of the moms I know) I disagree that most others don’t judge. There are way too many people that do so proudly. They see it as a positive character trait to judge the lifestyle choices of others (from dress to vacations to food and hair). These decisions are so personal and unique.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This subject makes my head spin. I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I SAH with my own kids. Unreal and so, so insecure.

Similarly, I will never fathom why someone not in my immediate family would care whether I WOH. And yet, based on the comments I've gotten, clearly some people do. See, unfortunately, it works both ways.

You do you, I'll take care of my own family. I have no issues with WOH, SAH, WAH, whatever. I have friends in all those categories. What I don't appreciate are the comments and insinuations that I am somehow "less than" as a mother because my DD is in daycare 40 hours a week.

This.

To the first PP, we don't care what you do. We care if you attack us for our choices.

That is why some SAHMs have come on here to respond to the PPs that have intimated that stay at home parents are somehow hurting other women or whatever nonsense some crazy PP has posted.

That is why some working moms have come on here to respond to PPs that assert that working moms don't care about their kids or are bitter or whatever nonsense some PPs have hurled.

I really believe that, like the second quoted PP, most of us don't really judge other moms for how they manage their family in terms of working or not, full-time or not, outside the home or not. We only step up to the line when someone else tell US they we are bad moms for the choices WE have made. It's defense of self, not attack of you.

While I agree with you in regards to my own thoughts on others (I don’t judge family choices and I really admire most of the moms I know) I disagree that most others don’t judge. There are way too many people that do so proudly. They see it as a positive character trait to judge the lifestyle choices of others (from dress to vacations to food and hair). These decisions are so personal and unique.

You are correct, the threads on this site are evidence of how much people like to judge others decisions about everything. But on the mom-front, I see a lot of posts that are just defensive. And I get that. When I contribute here, it's usually from a position of believing we need to support each other and not feed in to the stereotypes about women who have made a different choice, and, sometimes, it is because I don't appreciate people saying that they think my choice hurts my children.

I just don't get the judging. Why would they care as long as everyone's kids are happy?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a wohm. I admit that it’s a constant struggle between wanting to spend time with kids but also working. I want both! I spent so many years in school and am excited about my career. I also love my kids! I look for flexible jobs that will allow me to be home early to pick them up from preschool.

I sometimes feel guilty when sahms say, “i want to be there for my kids,” “family first,” “i could never send them to daycare/nanny,” “can’t trust anyone,” etc.

At work, I feel bad for having to draw the line and say I can’t do certain things bc of my kids.

It would be amazing if the sahms and wohms, non parents - EVERYONE- understood that raising good kids is a benefit to society. If that means wohms who have more flexible schedules offer other wohms to carpool more or sahms offer to help the wahms bc they have more time, that would be great! Employers understanding that parents (not just moms) need flexibility is amaing. We need everyone to help each other and not just focus on our nuclear family. If we did this, society would be so mich better off

I don't. Seriously, I don't care what you do, but the minute a woman says something suggesting that women who work don't love their kids as much, I write them off as a piece of shit. Seriously. I don't care what you do, but insinuating that other mothers don't love their kids makes you a garbage person. Period. It's worse, IMO, than thinking that women who stay at home are lazy or whatever.

Do whatever you want--work, don't--but keep your sanctimonious self-justification to yourself.

I am a SAHM who could never put my infant in daycare, but I don’t think that mean I love my kids more than someone who has no problem putting their child in daycare. I see that most daycare families are happy and healthy. I would never say unprompted to a WOHM that I couldn’t put my baby in daycare, but if you really really pressed me for the truth, then that’s what it would be. I sort of liken it to open marriages - like I have friends with open marriages and they seem very happy, abd I’m happy for them, but I could never do it. Anyway, I think this is why it’s best to just not talk about reasons for staying home or working - just get the information and move on to another topic.

I can't believe you just compared putting an infant in daycare to open marriage.

We know all we need to know about you right there. Stop pretending you are tolerant of others' choices. You are the epitome of the sanctimonious self-justification type. Did you post the eye-opener post, too?

No I did not post the eye opener post. I’m sorry, I did not mean daycare is equivalent to open marriage. I meant more that it’s a different emotional choice that someone else would make that I would not make, but it doesn’t mean I think that other person’s emotions are wrong.

Do you have an idea how much I appreciate your thoughtful response? Thank you, PP. I'm sorry I snapped at you.

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Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

You really are a piece of work. How many times have you posted on the two threads going? There is a commonality to a bunch of comments from a SAHM who seems very hostile to working moms.

Sticks and stones... Your life sucks and instead of blaming your low earning DH or low paying employer, you attack SAHMs on an anonymous forum. You are getting the same treatment back. And yes, since I am taking a dump, this is the perfect time to go on DCUM and shine a light on deluded and bitter people. Infact, a new thread has been started so all of you can brainstorm about how not to buy the myth of others knowing what is good for you.

Do I care that your kid is in daycare? Not really. I do not care what your choice is as long as I have my choice of staying with my kids. The only way I had the choice was to quit work and stop making the big bucks, and it was a sacrifice that I was willing to and able to make. Others choose to work and that is their choice.

Gross. I hope you didn't mean this in the literal sense.

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Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

You really are a piece of work. How many times have you posted on the two threads going? There is a commonality to a bunch of comments from a SAHM who seems very hostile to working moms.

Sticks and stones... Your life sucks and instead of blaming your low earning DH or low paying employer, you attack SAHMs on an anonymous forum. You are getting the same treatment back. And yes, since I am taking a dump, this is the perfect time to go on DCUM and shine a light on deluded and bitter people. Infact, a new thread has been started so all of you can brainstorm about how not to buy the myth of others knowing what is good for you.

Do I care that your kid is in daycare? Not really. I do not care what your choice is as long as I have my choice of staying with my kids. The only way I had the choice was to quit work and stop making the big bucks, and it was a sacrifice that I was willing to and able to make. Others choose to work and that is their choice.

You need to do some serious soul-searching.

[Anonymous]

Welp, the pooping ranting SAHM just increased the population of Crazytown by one.

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I don't. Do you have any other questions?

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, the pooping ranting SAHM just increased the population of Crazytown by one.

but she'll provide free childcare for her grandkids, assuming her children are still speaking to her, so there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, the pooping ranting SAHM just increased the population of Crazytown by one.

but she'll provide free childcare for her grandkids, assuming her children are still speaking to her, so there's that.

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Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

Wait a minute, you talk about your DD and a *DIL*...so your kids are grown and married? You don't work, have grown kids, but come on here and insult working moms while you sit around on your a**?

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Anonymous wrote:

Finally, it just seems like there is a lot of wasted potential when brilliant, well-educated women feel pressured to stop working, go part-time, or decide to "mommy-track" their careers in ways that men rarely wrestle with. I feel there's more benefit to society when women don't solely look inward towards their own families, but also use their talents for the good of larger society. If more women work, maybe laws that support working mothers will increase.

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

I'm the PP. I'm not sure what specifically you would have working mothers do that we haven't been doing, but I'm all ears.

And for the record, I've never been jealous of SAHMs. I never knew any growing up. My mother worked FT, sometimes multiple jobs when necessary. My grandma worked as a domestic (yes, we're not white). I'm from a long line of hardworking women, and never saw NOT working as an option. I am fortunate to have a job that I like reasonably well and get to use my brain, so in that way, my job differs from other women in my family.

It's interesting to sort of watch this debate from the peanut gallery, but I am genuinely interested in what you'd propose working women do that we're not already doing, to the extent we are able.

I don't think she gives a fig about working moms. She's a stay at home who thinks working moms are the devil and she enjoys poking the hornets nest.

Do I spare a thought about other working moms? No. Not exactly. I am glad that I am no longer in their shoes.

Do I feel bad for WOHMs? Well, only those who have no paid maternity leave, who have no support structure in place, who start feeding rice cereal to their newborns so that they can wean off before they return to work, who have substandard childcare, who need to work to fulfill basic needs, and who are paid less than their male counterparts or childless female coworkers. I feel bad that they are the exploited workforce of this country and put on mommy track - much like H1B workers who are kept in limbo for years and paid like shit. I feel bad, but I am not doing anything about it. Just like I do not do anything about Trump, except show up to vote each time.

Put a legislation for giving paid maternity leave to women and other benefits many other countries have in place for them and I will support for voting for it. This is not my fight. And for my own DD and DIL who are local, when they have their kids, I am there to provide childcare for free. Charity begins at home.

Wait a minute, you talk about your DD and a *DIL*...so your kids are grown and married? You don't work, have grown kids, but come on here and insult working moms while you sit around on your a**?

I just noticed this, too. Wow.