Honest question for liberals about diversity/multiculturalism

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Actually, the reason I make these comments is because I live in Silver Spring, but know a lot of people who live in areas like Bethesda or North Arlington or Chevy Chase and hear comments all the time from people in this areas, IRL but also on here if I venture into real estate or public schools forums, about how crappy Silver Spring is, how I'm putting my kids in danger because I *gasp* send them to SS public schools/how they'll never get into a "good" college, and how I'm basically stupid for living here when I *could* afford to live somewhere "nicer". But really the only difference between my area and schools and their area and schools is that there's more brown people and/or poor people (which, unfortunately, are strongly correlated in this country) and that's why it's really frustrating, especially from people who purport to be anti-racism and anti-Trump (both of which I am, obviously).

Well your two choices are the white conservatives who won't live where you live because it's not white enough and the progressive Trump haters like me who happily *gasp* live right in DC, and not up in Ward 3 or the predominantly white DC neighborhoods but *double gasp* a 70% black neighborhood and who *triple gasp* actually sends their kid to a public school (granted, a charter but public nonetheless) rather than private school.

So if you want to be frustrated and throw stones, fine but you need to be looking in the opposite direction.

Wait, what? White conservatives? These are people living in N. Arlington, Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Ward 3, etc. All highly liberal areas, overwhelmingly liberal in some cases.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so still nothing legitimately lost...

In your opinion.

The only thing you've lost is this argument.

I am posting this last message, and then I am done with this thread because, as I pointed out, tolerance of other views has been lost.
You asked what has been lost. I gave you a list. Whether you agree or not, I really don’t care.
I will not debate with a person who is determined to have the last word just for the sake of having the last word. I am sure you are a real peach.

You posted what you think were some points. I gave valid counterpoints and debunked some of your points, challenging you to think a little harder, and do a little better. But instead of engaging your grey matter and instead of doing a bit of deeper soul searching you just want to dodge, deflect and run away.

*shrug*

Whatever.

But you never ever acknowledged that there might be even the smallest grain of truth in what he said. That is why you are not polite. That is why you hurt the cause of diversity more than you help. That is why I suspect you are doing this mostly because you like to fight and feel like Jonathan Edwards instead of because you truely care about diversity. If you truly cared about diversity, you would recognize first the humanity of the other before you try to change their minds.

Project much? It is you, not I, who is attacking diversity and defending bigotry. Bigotry is in itself about fundamentally denying the humanity of others, and that's the central issue here.

And by the way, if Rosa Parks were "polite" she would still be sitting in the back of the bus and that would certainly not have led to any minds being changed.

Rosa Parks was perfectly polite. She was the epitome of politeness. Maybe you just were never taught good manners?

Um, evidently you don't know your history. "Politeness" as defined at the day was that she was "supposed to" politely and unquestioningly give her seat up to a white man per the segregationist bus rules in force in Montgomery at the time. She was "supposed to" move to the back of the bus, or to get off the bus completely to make way for whites if it were full. She refused to do so. And so, they had her arrested and removed from the bus - and as a result it prompted a 381 day bus boycott.

Nonviolent civil disobedience, yes, not "politeness."

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

*facepalm*

You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News.

Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?

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Um, evidently you don't know your history. "Politeness" as defined at the day was that she was "supposed to" politely and unquestioningly give her seat up to a white man per the segregationist bus rules in force in Montgomery at the time

There is a difference between "subservience" and "politeness". You can act on your principles and still be polite.

Could you please "source" your "'politeness' as defined at the day"?

Did Rosa Parks push someone out of their seat? Don't think so.
Did she curse at anyone? Don't think so.

She stood (or sat down, in this case) for what was right.

From everything I have read, she behaved with class. She refused to be subservient.

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You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

NP - but even those white folks living in the city are hustling in the charter lottery in order to get a spot at a whiter, more affluent, school because charters require that you have your act together and your own transportation.

Public education is the biggest indicator of whether someone is willing to put their money where their mouth is If Black people are good enough to live down the street, but not good enough to be in a classroom with your child, you are a hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

What? Odd choice of states. Texas is almost 40% hispanic but Wisconsin, Utah and Michigan are among the whitest of states. Utah and Wisconsin have some of the lowest economic inequality, whereas Texas has high economic inequality.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

*facepalm*

You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News.

Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?

*facepalm* right back at you. I am CLEARLY not talking about white people living in diverse neighborhoods. I am talking about people who claim to be open minded, liberal, and bemoaning of racism, yet they themselves choose to live in hyper segregated, both economically and racially, communities - like Bethesda. I don't get it. I really just don't.

FYI, Leesburg and Frederick are SIGNIFICANTLY more economically and racially diverse than Bethesda. They are also more conservative. I have no idea what your point is.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

*facepalm*

You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News.

Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?

*facepalm* right back at you. I am CLEARLY not talking about white people living in diverse neighborhoods. I am talking about people who claim to be open minded, liberal, and bemoaning of racism, yet they themselves choose to live in hyper segregated, both economically and racially, communities - like Bethesda. I don't get it. I really just don't.

FYI, Leesburg and Frederick are SIGNIFICANTLY more economically and racially diverse than Bethesda. They are also more conservative. I have no idea what your point is.

They are about the same as Arlington, a bastion of liberalism.

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You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

NP - but even those white folks living in the city are hustling in the charter lottery in order to get a spot at a whiter, more affluent, school because charters require that you have your act together and your own transportation.

Public education is the biggest indicator of whether someone is willing to put their money where their mouth is If Black people are good enough to live down the street, but not good enough to be in a classroom with your child, you are a hypocrite.

Um, that "whiter more affluent charter hustle" in DC likely still has far more socioeconomic diversity than your Bethesda school, which last time I checked were over 60% white. There's likely more white kids in your kid's Bethesda classroom than there are in that "hustled affluent DC charter" you're complaining about. So again, mind those glass houses.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

*facepalm*

You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News.

Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?

*facepalm* right back at you. I am CLEARLY not talking about white people living in diverse neighborhoods. I am talking about people who claim to be open minded, liberal, and bemoaning of racism, yet they themselves choose to live in hyper segregated, both economically and racially, communities - like Bethesda. I don't get it. I really just don't.

FYI, Leesburg and Frederick are SIGNIFICANTLY more economically and racially diverse than Bethesda. They are also more conservative. I have no idea what your point is.

They are about the same as Arlington, a bastion of liberalism.

No, Fairfax is less liberal than Arlington, and Loudon county even less so. Same goes for Frederick MD. In case you hadn't noticed, Frederick MD and Loudon County routinely put Republicans into state office.

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Let me ask another question. Suppose someday in the future, wealth lost its correlation with race. Suppose that people of all ethnic groups were equally likely to be wealthy or poor. In that case, would it be okay for people to want to live in ethnic enclaves, with people of similar culture? Or not?

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, so still nothing legitimately lost...

Our culture was lost. You may not like our culture, but to say that it is not lost is not true. And you took it by force, not by talking us politely out of it. And you are happy that you took it? It makes you feel righteous?

What force? By who? When? How? Please elaborate on all this. If you feel besieged in your mind please consult a psychiatrist. Nobody is responsible but you to what you imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students.

I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring.

This is a good point.

If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one...

I think that poster is pretty spot on.

What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC.

Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods.

You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.

Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)

Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump.

Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump.

You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.

Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort.

The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan.

*facepalm*

You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards.

And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News.

Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?

*facepalm* right back at you. I am CLEARLY not talking about white people living in diverse neighborhoods. I am talking about people who claim to be open minded, liberal, and bemoaning of racism, yet they themselves choose to live in hyper segregated, both economically and racially, communities - like Bethesda. I don't get it. I really just don't.

FYI, Leesburg and Frederick are SIGNIFICANTLY more economically and racially diverse than Bethesda. They are also more conservative. I have no idea what your point is.

SMH. I'm being yelled at and being called a liberal hypocrite, yet I'm here telling you once again that I live in a DC neighborhood that's even less white than Bethesda and that my kid goes to a public school that's less white than Bethesda's most diverse public school. Maybe that's too much for you to comprehend, but those are the facts, and sorry, but you simply can't top me on living with diversity and putting my money where my mouth is. As such you DO NOT get to call me a hypocrite on diversity. Natter on all you like about some hypothetical "hypocritical open minded liberal living in in a hyper segregated community" all you like but since your hypothetical person isn't here. I am. And meanwhile I've also been telling you that of the people I know living in DC vs the suburbs, most of the ones in DC are liberal, whereas virtually none are conservative, whereas a lot more of the people I know living in the burbs around DC are conservative. And yes, again, clutch your pearls all you like, act shocked all you like, but many conservatives do in fact exist in Fairfax, Loudon, et cetera whether you believe it or not.

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Let me ask another question. Suppose someday in the future, wealth lost its correlation with race. Suppose that people of all ethnic groups were equally likely to be wealthy or poor. In that case, would it be okay for people to want to live in ethnic enclaves, with people of similar culture? Or not?

I think that there are neighborhoods where this already occurs among those of similar wealth. Recent immigrants tend to cling to their own, however. Second generation mixes in--perhaps, with the exception of the very devout Muslims and the very Orthodox Jews.

In WAPO today, there was an article about the Muslim scout troops. It appeared to me that they are not mixing--and do not appear to want to mix.