Honest question for liberals about diversity/multiculturalism

[Anonymous]

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

+1 Not all white liberals are hypocrites, but the ones in communities that until relatively recently had housing covenants and redlining are certainly hypocrites. As are the ones who "support" affordable housing but fight tooth and nail to make sure their school boundary doesn't include any of that housing. Look at the hysteria over how the new MCPS middle school is going to be zoned and you'll see a lot of people who I'm sure vote (D) who are turning out at council meetings to argue against economically and racially integrated schools.

[Anonymous]

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Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

Yep, we're all just "limousine liberals" - and those white kids in DC schools? Evidently they don't belong to anyone and aren't real, they are just holographic projections being beamed down from space by satellite or something.

Sorry but my kid is quite real and is very much in a DC public school that's majority minority. Throw around whatever "white limousine liberal" strawmen you like but in my eyes you are full of BS.

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

Half of North Arlington goes to Washington Lee High School. It's 58% minority.

The other half goes to Yorktown High School, which is 35% minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

+1 Not all white liberals are hypocrites, but the ones in communities that until relatively recently had housing covenants and redlining are certainly hypocrites. As are the ones who "support" affordable housing but fight tooth and nail to make sure their school boundary doesn't include any of that housing. Look at the hysteria over how the new MCPS middle school is going to be zoned and you'll see a lot of people who I'm sure vote (D) who are turning out at council meetings to argue against economically and racially integrated schools.

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still no answer on what's been "taken away?"

So loud and vocal one minute, yet complete silence now...

Let’s see. Here are some things that I believe we are losing:

1. Tolerance on college campuses. In the name of “diversity,” colleges now have “safe spaces” for people to go to “relax” and “express their ideas.” But, of course, those spaces are only safe if you hold the same liberal views that colleges teach. Conservative speakers are rarely invited to college campuses.

2. Tolerance for people who hold different views. If one believes in traditional marriage or gender specific locker rooms, they are dismissed as homophobic or bigoted.

3. Religious tolerance. If a baker chooses not to make a cake or cupcakes for a gay wedding on religious grounds, that baker is sued and is in danger of losing his/her livelihood.

4. The concept that all people should be respected and not all points of view should be respected. Self-explanatory.

5. The concept that the best person for the job should be the one hired. Due to affirmative action, the strongest candidate for a job may very well NOT be the one that is hired.

Another one from the same guy:

This addresses 1-4...

Even if there is some truth in what he says, he is nevertheless a completely arrogant, self-satisfied, sadistic a**hole. People like him make me want to be a conservative. He seems to get a kick about insulting other people.

There's not "some" but a ton of truth in what he says. And if you don't like what he says and don't like being insulted then maybe you should do some introspection and soul searching. It hurts because he's right on the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, got it. I'll VOTE to help you, I just don't want to LIVE near you. Or have your children in the same schools as my children, at least in large numbers.

Nice.

This. White liberals will tell you that their school is "diverse" because there are two Black kids in a single class, but if you asked them to send their child to a school with only White kids in a class, they would turn tail in a heartbeat. There have been actual studies that show white folks claim to want diversity, but their actual threshold is something like 11%. Anything more than that feels too Black/brown even though the actual racial breakdown of the United States is not 89% white.

All this except 8 percent is the tipping point.

[Anonymous]

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

....but it doesn't matter that you claim to SUPPORT THE FIGHT because, when push comes to shove, you don't let the homeless shelter get built, or the school boundary to be drawn. The elected officials know what's up. They know they don't need to follow through on any of those promises for better schools, or affordable housing, or desegregation. It's lip service, because everyone know that if they actually tried, their constituents would mutiny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

....but it doesn't matter that you claim to SUPPORT THE FIGHT because, when push comes to shove, you don't let the homeless shelter get built, or the school boundary to be drawn. The elected officials know what's up. They know they don't need to follow through on any of those promises for better schools, or affordable housing, or desegregation. It's lip service, because everyone know that if they actually tried, their constituents would mutiny.

PREACH PASTOR!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

....but it doesn't matter that you claim to SUPPORT THE FIGHT because, when push comes to shove, you don't let the homeless shelter get built, or the school boundary to be drawn. The elected officials know what's up. They know they don't need to follow through on any of those promises for better schools, or affordable housing, or desegregation. It's lip service, because everyone know that if they actually tried, their constituents would mutiny.

So I guess what we are saying is that we know the conservatives will fight against helping the low SES in any form whatsoever, the liberals will help, but cautiously and with some NIMBYISM - which leaves nobody but you, sitting in a corner by yourself pointing fingers and attacking everyone else.

Great.

Keep on attacking and alienating and maybe you'll get to the point where the liberals won't even want to help either.

[Anonymous]

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One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

....but it doesn't matter that you claim to SUPPORT THE FIGHT because, when push comes to shove, you don't let the homeless shelter get built, or the school boundary to be drawn. The elected officials know what's up. They know they don't need to follow through on any of those promises for better schools, or affordable housing, or desegregation. It's lip service, because everyone know that if they actually tried, their constituents would mutiny.

No, what they do in DC is push notions like "oh, we'll just push the high performing kids into underachieving schools and that will magically solve all the problems" while ignoring the lousy curriculum, bad teachers and bad behavior.

Or, "we'll just push the homeless into every neighborhood to solve the problem of DC General being lousy with roaches, lice, bedbugs and other critters" while not bothering to deal with the social supports and services needed to improve the hygiene conditions that led to bug infestation in the first place.

DC needs to provide a lot of wrap-around services to help the poor. But instead our great and wonderful elected officials funnel hundreds of millions to their friends while pretending to serve the poor. And guess what, those of us citizens who know what's up are mutinying against Mayor Bowser for that. We need Council to stand up and do the same.

[Anonymous]

If we truly wanted to break the cycle of poverty in DC the city should focus on truly integrative services, where all agencies coordinate and track what's going on with poor families, with sharing of data across all agencies, whether school, housing, SNAP and other benefits, medical/healthcare/mental health, unemployment, domestic violence, and to have structured, coordinated intervention teams to work with them to get them to stay functional, reduce fraud, et cetera. Those kinds of approaches sound expensive but have actually been more effective while reducing costs in some communities. DC currently suffers from far too many disjoints. Can't even get the 311 and DDOT people to coordinate on potholes. Lots more that can and should be done - don't tell me it's "political suicide." But unfortunately too much in DC is more about the old school Marion Barry way of doing things, and city jobs about "not my job, man" and tied to political patronage and union structures as opposed to actually doing what needs to be done. But sure, just blame it all on "nimby libs" - the past 50 years wo

[Anonymous]

^ (cont'd)

...the past 50 years worth of sordid DC history and politics and dysfunction suddenly become entirely the blame and fault of some liberal leaning white family that just moved to DC from Ohio or Indiana 3 or 4 years ago. And goddamn them for gentrifying too. Root of all evil.

Sure, whatever.

[Anonymous]

But unfortunately too much in DC is more about the old school Marion Barry way of doing things, and city jobs about "not my job, man" and tied to political patronage and union structures as opposed to actually doing what needs to be done.

School system is a prime example. Even General Becton couldn't fight the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

+1 Not all white liberals are hypocrites, but the ones in communities that until relatively recently had housing covenants and redlining are certainly hypocrites. As are the ones who "support" affordable housing but fight tooth and nail to make sure their school boundary doesn't include any of that housing. Look at the hysteria over how the new MCPS middle school is going to be zoned and you'll see a lot of people who I'm sure vote (D) who are turning out at council meetings to argue against economically and racially integrated schools.

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

arlington buses kids to yorktown to increase diversity. No pearls clutched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

+1 Not all white liberals are hypocrites, but the ones in communities that until relatively recently had housing covenants and redlining are certainly hypocrites. As are the ones who "support" affordable housing but fight tooth and nail to make sure their school boundary doesn't include any of that housing. Look at the hysteria over how the new MCPS middle school is going to be zoned and you'll see a lot of people who I'm sure vote (D) who are turning out at council meetings to argue against economically and racially integrated schools.

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

arlington buses kids to yorktown to increase diversity. No pearls clutched.

*shrug*

Arlington isn't exactly "inner city ghetto" - some latino kids living near strip mall land. Meh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Reading comprehension is important. We're not talking about people who send their kids to economically/racially diverse schools. We're talking about people who separate themselves into hyper segregated suburbs like Bethesda or n. Arlington or Ward 3, where they don't have to see poor minorities/poor white people (not that there are a ton of poor white people in DC), all while bemoaning racism and going on and on about how bigoted people like Donald Trump and his supporters are.

It's astounding hypocrisy.

+1 Not all white liberals are hypocrites, but the ones in communities that until relatively recently had housing covenants and redlining are certainly hypocrites. As are the ones who "support" affordable housing but fight tooth and nail to make sure their school boundary doesn't include any of that housing. Look at the hysteria over how the new MCPS middle school is going to be zoned and you'll see a lot of people who I'm sure vote (D) who are turning out at council meetings to argue against economically and racially integrated schools.

One the one hand you have these "awful and hypocritical" liberals, many of whom do indeed live up to their ideals, and most of whom at least DO SUPPORT THE FIGHT for better schools and affordable housing and desegregation and better opportunities and a social safety net to help those who are less fortunate...

...whereas on the other hand, you have the Republicans and Libertarians and Tea Party who don't so much as give a rat's ass about the less fortunate, and who will actively block any attempt to try.

arlington buses kids to yorktown to increase diversity. No pearls clutched.

*shrug*

Arlington isn't exactly "inner city ghetto" - some latino kids living near strip mall land. Meh.

Sorry are you saying that our minorities aren't ethnic enough? Or is your point that they aren't criminals?

Supporting diversity does not mean that you have to sell the home and go move into gang turf. It means you want diversity. It's the conservatives who think that minorities are all criminals and therefore you equate the two.

Diversity should be a *shrug* topic.