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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think that a lot of people are OK with different cultures/races/etc. as long as such are "like them" in the sense that they value education, have advanced degrees, etc. So they would be with their kids going to a 50% Hispanic school if say, those Hispanics were the children of doctors and lawyers, but certainly would never send their kids to a school comprised of working class, ESOL students. I know many who claim to be on board with diversity, think Trump is a racist, yet would absolutely never even entertain the idea of living somewhere like South Arlington or PG or Silver Spring. [/quote] This is a good point.[/quote] If you're trying to suggest that the people calling Trump racist are hypocrites from the comfort of primarily white neighborhoods, then I think you are way off on that one... [/quote] I think that poster is pretty spot on. What exactly is it, then, if the obsessions over FARM rates and ESOL rates and having your kids with a good "peer group" isn't blatant racism/classism? I mean really, saying"I send my kid to XYZ school for the better peer group" or "we moved from [city neighborhood] to [affluent enclave] because it's nicer and the schools are better", sentiments frequently shared on DCUM, is no different than saying "I send my kid to XYZ school because there's fewer brown/poor children that might be a bad influence on mine." It's just more PC. [/quote] Um, suuuure. Meanwhile I'll note that there are far more white conservatives living in the lily-white suburban enclaves, while being scarce to be found in the primarily minority neighborhoods and schools. It's mostly young white progressives moving into those more diverse neighborhoods. You should check and count how much glass is around your own home before presuming to cast that stone at someone else's.[/quote] Reading comprehension is important. I'm not talking about just lily-white areas, I'm talking about areas that are socioeconomically homogenous. (Which often happen to be racially homogenous as well because race/SES are often linked.)[/quote] Not sure what point you are driving at. Socioeconomically homogenous areas are far more likely to harbor bigotry toward anyone who isn't cut from that same socioeconomically homogenous cloth. Those areas, when whites are involved, tend to lean conservative and support Trump. Meanwhile the more socioeconomically diverse areas tend to lean liberal, tend to recognize the racism, and are anti-Trump. You seem to be a quite confused, thinking that it's reversed.[/quote] Ah, yes. Socioeconomically homogenous areas like Bethesda are noteworthy for their conservatism. Snort. The most socioeconomically diverse areas are in conservative to moderate places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Utah, and TX. Aka flyover states that people here like to bemoan. [/quote] *facepalm* You still don't seem to get it. Bethesda is hardly the front lines of diversity. What I'm saying is that there are many very progressive diversity-embracing white folks living IN the city. For whom the supposed "liberal hypocrisy" of "oh, we need more diversity, just not here" most certainly does not apply, i.e. the white folks living in 70-80% non-white neighborhoods. Whereas, you will find very FEW conservatives living in those same neighborhoods, fewer even than you will find in "snort, Bethesda" because guess what, there are indeed far more gun loving Trump supporting conservatives in Bethesda than there are in most of DC's Wards. And that when you move farther and farther OUT of the city into Virginia and Maryland, out toward Leesburg, Frederick, et cetera, that's where you start seeing ever more and more predominantly and homogenously white and conservative-leaning people who for the most part only base their views on diversity on what they've seen on FOX News. Make sense now? Can you stop throwing your stones and whining about hypocrisy at urban-dwelling (and I mean truly urban dwelling, not suburbish SUV driving soccer mom Bethesda) progressives now?[/quote] *facepalm* right back at you. I am CLEARLY not talking about white people living in diverse neighborhoods. I am talking about people who claim to be open minded, liberal, and bemoaning of racism, yet they themselves choose to live in hyper segregated, both economically and racially, communities - like Bethesda. I don't get it. I really just don't. FYI, Leesburg and Frederick are SIGNIFICANTLY more economically and racially diverse than Bethesda. They are also more conservative. I have no idea what your point is.[/quote] SMH. I'm being yelled at and being called a liberal hypocrite, yet I'm here telling you once again that I live in a DC neighborhood that's even less white than Bethesda and that my kid goes to a public school that's less white than Bethesda's most diverse public school. Maybe that's too much for you to comprehend, but those are the facts, and sorry, but you simply can't top me on living with diversity and putting my money where my mouth is. As such you DO NOT get to call me a hypocrite on diversity. Natter on all you like about some hypothetical "hypocritical open minded liberal living in in a hyper segregated community" all you like but since your hypothetical person isn't here. I am. And meanwhile I've also been telling you that of the people I know living in DC vs the suburbs, most of the ones in DC are liberal, whereas virtually none are conservative, whereas a lot more of the people I know living in the burbs around DC are conservative. And yes, again, clutch your pearls all you like, act shocked all you like, but many conservatives do in fact exist in Fairfax, Loudon, et cetera whether you believe it or not.[/quote]
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