Are men ugly or am I bi?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

This is quite simply not true.

"As we grow older, our facial bones including our eye sockets, nose and upper jaw continue to change. For example, our eye sockets enlarge, and the angle of the bones beneath our eyebrows decreases which could contribute to the formation of frown lines on our foreheads, "crow's feet" at the corners of our eyes and droopy lower eyelids, the researchers say. Although these changes occurred in both sexes, many occurred earlier in women between young and middle age. In men, most of the changes occurred between middle age and old age."

https://www.livescience.com/35332-face-bones-aging-110104.html

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

You are making my point with your celebrity examples. People don’t know what 50 looks like. So if you look younger than a Golden Girl people think you are young for your age. But that’s not at all what modern first world aging looks like (and that’s even before we get to the hair/bone changes that others have posted about).

Also the photos of the women in the “average 50 year old” pictures were taken much closer up to their face. Your mother’s face was at a distance. How can you not see these differences?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

This is quite simply not true.

"As we grow older, our facial bones including our eye sockets, nose and upper jaw continue to change. For example, our eye sockets enlarge, and the angle of the bones beneath our eyebrows decreases which could contribute to the formation of frown lines on our foreheads, "crow's feet" at the corners of our eyes and droopy lower eyelids, the researchers say. Although these changes occurred in both sexes, many occurred earlier in women between young and middle age. In men, most of the changes occurred between middle age and old age."

https://www.livescience.com/35332-face-bones-aging-110104.html

We are talking about different things. Yes, everyone knows men loose their bone and muscular density slower than women, thanks to testosterone. But at the same time, women who exercise or/are on HRT that includes testosterone, are able to maintain their muscular and bone density well into 60s. Also women have many more cosmetic procedures (and the will to use these procedures to address aging concerns) than men. The modern medicine made huge steps forward in hormone therapy, sports medicine and cosmetic procedures. Men have little desire to maintain their looks: they think it's forgiving not to go to the dentist, not to have pedicure, to have a belly etc. DMV is a city of obese law partners (when I was dating in DC). All these men making $2m+ a year were overweight and still thought they could date me (a very fit athletic woman). When women have money they invest it in their looks.When men get money, they spend it on women, food, wine and addictions.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

This is quite simply not true.

"As we grow older, our facial bones including our eye sockets, nose and upper jaw continue to change. For example, our eye sockets enlarge, and the angle of the bones beneath our eyebrows decreases which could contribute to the formation of frown lines on our foreheads, "crow's feet" at the corners of our eyes and droopy lower eyelids, the researchers say. Although these changes occurred in both sexes, many occurred earlier in women between young and middle age. In men, most of the changes occurred between middle age and old age."

https://www.livescience.com/35332-face-bones-aging-110104.html

We are talking about different things. Yes, everyone knows men loose their bone and muscular density slower than women, thanks to testosterone. But at the same time, women who exercise or/are on HRT that includes testosterone, are able to maintain their muscular and bone density well into 60s. Also women have many more cosmetic procedures (and the will to use these procedures to address aging concerns) than men. The modern medicine made huge steps forward in hormone therapy, sports medicine and cosmetic procedures. Men have little desire to maintain their looks: they think it's forgiving not to go to the dentist, not to have pedicure, to have a belly etc. DMV is a city of obese law partners (when I was dating in DC). All these men making $2m+ a year were overweight and still thought they could date me (a very fit athletic woman). When women have money they invest it in their looks.When men get money, they spend it on women, food, wine and addictions.

That's a lot of words to say that you can't fool people into thinking you are 10-15 years younger than your actual age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

You are making my point with your celebrity examples. People don’t know what 50 looks like. So if you look younger than a Golden Girl people think you are young for your age. But that’s not at all what modern first world aging looks like (and that’s even before we get to the hair/bone changes that others have posted about).

Also the photos of the women in the “average 50 year old” pictures were taken much closer up to their face. Your mother’s face was at a distance. How can you not see these differences?

Still, in real life when she wears make up men who are in their 50-60s hit on her all the time as they think she's in her 50s. Maybe you can see a difference as you are taking a good care of your skin, probably look youthful and know what a well maintained woman in her 50s look like. But men in their 50-60s really don't know crap
But leaving my mother aside, there are many actresses who look amazing and very youthful in their late 50s and I personally would think they are early to mid 40s if I met them in real life: Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

This is quite simply not true.

"As we grow older, our facial bones including our eye sockets, nose and upper jaw continue to change. For example, our eye sockets enlarge, and the angle of the bones beneath our eyebrows decreases which could contribute to the formation of frown lines on our foreheads, "crow's feet" at the corners of our eyes and droopy lower eyelids, the researchers say. Although these changes occurred in both sexes, many occurred earlier in women between young and middle age. In men, most of the changes occurred between middle age and old age."

https://www.livescience.com/35332-face-bones-aging-110104.html

We are talking about different things. Yes, everyone knows men loose their bone and muscular density slower than women, thanks to testosterone. But at the same time, women who exercise or/are on HRT that includes testosterone, are able to maintain their muscular and bone density well into 60s. Also women have many more cosmetic procedures (and the will to use these procedures to address aging concerns) than men. The modern medicine made huge steps forward in hormone therapy, sports medicine and cosmetic procedures. Men have little desire to maintain their looks: they think it's forgiving not to go to the dentist, not to have pedicure, to have a belly etc. DMV is a city of obese law partners (when I was dating in DC). All these men making $2m+ a year were overweight and still thought they could date me (a very fit athletic woman). When women have money they invest it in their looks.When men get money, they spend it on women, food, wine and addictions.

That's a lot of words to say that you can't fool people into thinking you are 10-15 years younger than your actual age.

You can't fool those who are experts on skin care or sports themselves, but you absolutely can the 90% "average" people somewhere in Midwest.

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As a good example of a woman looking 10+ years younger: Salma's photos in bikinis, from close distance. Obviously, she had Sculptra or hyaluronic injections in her neck/chest area. No wrinkles whatsoever in these age revealing zones - I would think this is a 40s woman:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-57-defies-age-193927341.html

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Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

You are making my point with your celebrity examples. People don’t know what 50 looks like. So if you look younger than a Golden Girl people think you are young for your age. But that’s not at all what modern first world aging looks like (and that’s even before we get to the hair/bone changes that others have posted about).

Also the photos of the women in the “average 50 year old” pictures were taken much closer up to their face. Your mother’s face was at a distance. How can you not see these differences?

Still, in real life when she wears make up men who are in their 50-60s hit on her all the time as they think she's in her 50s. Maybe you can see a difference as you are taking a good care of your skin, probably look youthful and know what a well maintained woman in her 50s look like. But men in their 50-60s really don't know crap
But leaving my mother aside, there are many actresses who look amazing and very youthful in their late 50s and I personally would think they are early to mid 40s if I met them in real life: Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, for example.

They are both gorgeous women who look every bit of 58.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

You are making my point with your celebrity examples. People don’t know what 50 looks like. So if you look younger than a Golden Girl people think you are young for your age. But that’s not at all what modern first world aging looks like (and that’s even before we get to the hair/bone changes that others have posted about).

Also the photos of the women in the “average 50 year old” pictures were taken much closer up to their face. Your mother’s face was at a distance. How can you not see these differences?

Still, in real life when she wears make up men who are in their 50-60s hit on her all the time as they think she's in her 50s. Maybe you can see a difference as you are taking a good care of your skin, probably look youthful and know what a well maintained woman in her 50s look like. But men in their 50-60s really don't know crap
But leaving my mother aside, there are many actresses who look amazing and very youthful in their late 50s and I personally would think they are early to mid 40s if I met them in real life: Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, for example.

They are both gorgeous women who look every bit of 58.

No, they don't. You are just trying to prove your point that everyone looks their own age. No they look much, much younger than an average US 58 yo woman. See an AI generated "typical US 58 yo" here:

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/realistic-portrait-58yearold-french-woman-soft-2451471743

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

40s men are often chatting with fit 50s women. If any woman looks like Salma Hayek in her 50s, men of all ages below that would be hitting on her, for variety of kinks and attraction reasons

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

You are making my point with your celebrity examples. People don’t know what 50 looks like. So if you look younger than a Golden Girl people think you are young for your age. But that’s not at all what modern first world aging looks like (and that’s even before we get to the hair/bone changes that others have posted about).

Also the photos of the women in the “average 50 year old” pictures were taken much closer up to their face. Your mother’s face was at a distance. How can you not see these differences?

Still, in real life when she wears make up men who are in their 50-60s hit on her all the time as they think she's in her 50s. Maybe you can see a difference as you are taking a good care of your skin, probably look youthful and know what a well maintained woman in her 50s look like. But men in their 50-60s really don't know crap
But leaving my mother aside, there are many actresses who look amazing and very youthful in their late 50s and I personally would think they are early to mid 40s if I met them in real life: Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, for example.

They are both gorgeous women who look every bit of 58.

No, they don't. You are just trying to prove your point that everyone looks their own age. No they look much, much younger than an average US 58 yo woman. See an AI generated "typical US 58 yo" here:

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-generated/realistic-portrait-58yearold-french-woman-soft-2451471743

lol, what is the junk? Btw, the image says French woman.

By the way, many posters appear to be arguing with you. I no longer have any idea what you are saying.

If you are saying that woman can look great at any age if they put care into their health and appearance, most people agree. If you are saying that this makes them look younger than their chronological age, most people disagree.

If you say men can’t tell much about makeup, skin care, etc, most people agree.

If you are saying men don’t put the same effort into appearance as women, duh, welcome to the word.