Are men ugly or am I bi?

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Both sis!

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

OP here. I would say, 25% of men in their 20s would want to f..k a 40 something woman who is very good looking and fit. I actually know it from experience (when my son was in sports his teammates were telling him about stuff about his hot mom, I even had to complain to the head coach of the team).

If I ever doubted you are a troll, now you confirmed it. No I don’t believe that your son’s friends said stuff about his hot mom that your reported back to you that you discussed with the coach. Didn’t happen.

It did - RMSC practice I had to complain . I was in late 30s back then; boys were teens

Son told you rather than telling his friend to STFU. Sounds unbelievable.

He did tell them multiple times to STFU but males in puberty can be very sexually intense, dirty verbally and aggressive. Weird you didn’t know that

I do know. I know most don’t bring momma in to defend herself.

It was reported to the team coach whose job is to protect families from sexual harassment. Any more questions ?

Yes, why are you comparing sexual harassment from teens with consensual fun hitting on by 20 year olds.

You sound messed up.

Telling a friend his mom is hot is not sexual harassment.

These were not friends or friendly compliments

So basically it was your son was who being harassed by “sexually intense, dirty verbally and aggressive” teenagers using you as the person to harass him about, and you brought it up in this discussion as evidence that young men would sleep would older woman?

You have a lot of messed up wires.

It’s an example of a male sense of entitlement to sexually poke females who are otherwise inaccessible to them. You are messed up in your attempts to pick on minuscular detail in situations which you have no clues about. First claiming I was a troll; then assigning labels and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

OP here. I would say, 25% of men in their 20s would want to f..k a 40 something woman who is very good looking and fit. I actually know it from experience (when my son was in sports his teammates were telling him about stuff about his hot mom, I even had to complain to the head coach of the team).

If I ever doubted you are a troll, now you confirmed it. No I don’t believe that your son’s friends said stuff about his hot mom that your reported back to you that you discussed with the coach. Didn’t happen.

It did - RMSC practice I had to complain . I was in late 30s back then; boys were teens

Son told you rather than telling his friend to STFU. Sounds unbelievable.

He did tell them multiple times to STFU but males in puberty can be very sexually intense, dirty verbally and aggressive. Weird you didn’t know that

I do know. I know most don’t bring momma in to defend herself.

It was reported to the team coach whose job is to protect families from sexual harassment. Any more questions ?

Yes, why are you comparing sexual harassment from teens with consensual fun hitting on by 20 year olds.

You sound messed up.

Telling a friend his mom is hot is not sexual harassment.

These were not friends or friendly compliments

So basically it was your son was who being harassed by “sexually intense, dirty verbally and aggressive” teenagers using you as the person to harass him about, and you brought it up in this discussion as evidence that young men would sleep would older woman?

You have a lot of messed up wires.

It’s an example of a male sense of entitlement to sexually poke females who are otherwise inaccessible to them. You are messed up in your attempts to pick on minuscular detail in situations which you have no clues about. First claiming I was a troll; then assigning labels and so on.

We can all scroll up and see why you posted it so no point in changing your story now. You know what stops people from commenting about situations you don’t want them to? Not posting about it.

[Anonymous]

Most men are not taking care of themselves these days. Women are doing skin care, makeup, hair care, working out, wearing cute outfits. And men are… existing. They continually think that just being there is enough. They think their warm body is enough so why bother putting effort in.

So no, it’s not just you. It’s society.

[Anonymous]

Men these days are gross. It ain’t you baby.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know why this has gone to 15 pages. All OP has to do is find another woman looking to explore. If she enjoys it, she’s bi. If she doesn’t, she’s not.

(The experience, not the specific partner.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why this has gone to 15 pages. All OP has to do is find another woman looking to explore. If she enjoys it, she’s bi. If she doesn’t, she’s not.

(The experience, not the specific partner.)

Plenty of ladies in the DC region she can select from. So many discrete women seeking women…it’s like shooting fish in a barrel here.

[Anonymous]

This is the type of man we are talking about. Gross, lazy, name calling, adding nothing of value.

Men are definitely gross these days, thank you for proving OPs point.

Sadly, you are too crazy (and stupid) to see the hypocrisy in your posts. You call men gross, and then say that "name-calling", which is precisely what you are doing, is gross.

Take a step back, get an adult to read your posts so they can explain to you what "hypocrisy" means. Mom (or dad) should have taught you that you cannot complain about being called names when you start by calling someone else (i.e., anyone who disagrees with your crazy a$$) names.

[Anonymous]

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This is the type of man we are talking about. Gross, lazy, name calling, adding nothing of value.

Men are definitely gross these days, thank you for proving OPs point.

Sadly, you are too crazy (and stupid) to see the hypocrisy in your posts. You call men gross, and then say that "name-calling", which is precisely what you are doing, is gross.

Take a step back, get an adult to read your posts so they can explain to you what "hypocrisy" means. Mom (or dad) should have taught you that you cannot complain about being called names when you start by calling someone else (i.e., anyone who disagrees with your crazy a$$) names.

Keep making the OPs point, you are doing such a good job!

A real man worth dating would not be on here insulting random women on the internet. But we all know you’re just some Reddit troll living in mommas basement. You’ve never touched a woman, let alone dated one 😂 exactly the type of man OP is looking to avoid. Really, that all women should avoid. You should be proud of yourself to be such a shining example of what women are avoiding in men in 2025.

[Anonymous]

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Keep making the OPs point, you are doing such a good job!

A real man worth dating would not be on here insulting random women on the internet. But we all know you’re just some Reddit troll living in mommas basement. You’ve never touched a woman, let alone dated one 😂 exactly the type of man OP is looking to avoid. Really, that all women should avoid. You should be proud of yourself to be such a shining example of what women are avoiding in men in 2025.

First, you should not post when you are angry. Your writing is poor to begin with, and it gets worse when you spew (e.g., "mommas (sic) basement, "OPs (sic) point, "to be (sic)" instead of for being).

You are not a random woman on the internet. You are an excellent example of a man-hating witch who feels great about posting that all men are gross, but cannot take it if someone points out your hypocrisy.

You are an angry, lonely little girl without any original thoughts, and it shows. For example, how can I be a Reddit troll if I only post on DCUM? Stock lines like "you are a Reddit troll" show your illiteracy.

Ouch, you hit the incel dead center!

Sock-puppet posting is very unbecoming. Improve your writing, improve your thinking and self-awareness, and then come back with something better than "men are gross".

All men? No of course not. Men like you? Absolutely yes lol. Lonely? My husband would disagree, though I know you’ve never felt anyone could actually love you (you’re right). Trolls are trolls everywhere, you’ve definitely proven that too. I’m just so glad you’ve provided concrete examples of what NOT to look for in a mate. It’s hard out there for women, you’re doing all of womankind a favour by outing yourself as a GROSS man who no one wants to touch.

No sock puppeting here, it’s not surprising to me that multiple women find you just as off putting. Good luck in life, I have a feeling you desperately need it!

[Anonymous]

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Keep making the OPs point, you are doing such a good job!

A real man worth dating would not be on here insulting random women on the internet. But we all know you’re just some Reddit troll living in mommas basement. You’ve never touched a woman, let alone dated one 😂 exactly the type of man OP is looking to avoid. Really, that all women should avoid. You should be proud of yourself to be such a shining example of what women are avoiding in men in 2025.

First, you should not post when you are angry. Your writing is poor to begin with, and it gets worse when you spew (e.g., "mommas (sic) basement, "OPs (sic) point, "to be (sic)" instead of for being).

You are not a random woman on the internet. You are an excellent example of a man-hating witch who feels great about posting that all men are gross, but cannot take it if someone points out your hypocrisy.

You are an angry, lonely little girl without any original thoughts, and it shows. For example, how can I be a Reddit troll if I only post on DCUM? Stock lines like "you are a Reddit troll" show your illiteracy.

Ouch, you hit the incel dead center!

Sock-puppet posting is very unbecoming. Improve your writing, improve your thinking and self-awareness, and then come back with something better than "men are gross".

Bro, this you? Maybe you’ve e you’ve had enough internet for today. Mommy is calling for afternoon snack time!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why this has gone to 15 pages. All OP has to do is find another woman looking to explore. If she enjoys it, she’s bi. If she doesn’t, she’s not.

(The experience, not the specific partner.)

Plenty of ladies in the DC region she can select from. So many discrete women seeking women…it’s like shooting fish in a barrel here.

How does one go about finding these women? ...asking for a friend, of course.

[Anonymous]

OP have you hit up your old friend yet?

[Anonymous]

Bro, this you? Maybe you’ve e you’ve had enough internet for today. Mommy is calling for afternoon snack time!

Bro, you must get your Mommy to teach you how to type. She cannot call you right now, as her mouth is full while she enjoys her afternoon snack.

Do not worry, she will be quite full, in every way, when I send her home to you.

[Anonymous]

All men? No of course not. Men like you? Absolutely yes lol. Lonely? My husband would disagree, though I know you’ve never felt anyone could actually love you (you’re right). Trolls are trolls everywhere, you’ve definitely proven that too. I’m just so glad you’ve provided concrete examples of what NOT to look for in a mate. It’s hard out there for women, you’re doing all of womankind a favour by outing yourself as a GROSS man who no one wants to touch.

No sock puppeting here, it’s not surprising to me that multiple women find you just as off putting. Good luck in life, I have a feeling you desperately need it!

You have reading comprehension and grammar problems. Your initial posts addressed all men. Reread your posts before responding. Even better, start an online class to improve your weak writing skills (e.g., it is off-putting, not off putting). <Sigh>

Yes, you are sock puppeting. And you are doing a poor job of it.

Speaking of socks, you have many at home since it is what your husband (if there is anyone on earth depraved enough to be with you) uses for physical release. He probably makes you go to the other room while doing so because it allows him to enjoy himself by pretending you do not exist.

Everyone reading this thread wants to pretend you do not exist as well.