Are men ugly or am I bi?

[Anonymous]

What's the point of examining outliers under ideal photo conditions? Of course there are people who look especially youthful or old for their age no matter how hard they try or in spite of it. Most people look their age. I don't even know what 'passing for 35' even means, no one cares at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I guess about 70. She has bad bunions and disformed toes.

She has prominent nasialabial folds and her hairline has receded. It feels crummy to point these things out but there are always “tells” on aging.

It's BS. I would think that Hailey Bieber is early 40s, based on this photo. Same "folds" that she tries to cover with foundation. It's just you knew the pictured woman is someone's mother, and you logically infered the age. If she had all the make up, hair done, and you didn't know the true age, she can easily be mistaken with "US average" mid 50s woman.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/hailey-bieber-steps-nothing-blazer-005600080.html

Hailey Bieber does look older than her age, but doesn’t mean that the woman in the picture looks young(er).

The poster selected one photo. If you look at all her photos, she looks her age.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the point of examining outliers under ideal photo conditions? Of course there are people who look especially youthful or old for their age no matter how hard they try or in spite of it. Most people look their age. I don't even know what 'passing for 35' even means, no one cares at that point.

Some people who post here are really invested in looking younger than their chronological age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I guess about 70. She has bad bunions and disformed toes.

She has prominent nasialabial folds and her hairline has receded. It feels crummy to point these things out but there are always “tells” on aging.

It's BS. I would think that Hailey Bieber is early 40s, based on this photo. Same "folds" that she tries to cover with foundation. It's just you knew the pictured woman is someone's mother, and you logically infered the age. If she had all the make up, hair done, and you didn't know the true age, she can easily be mistaken with "US average" mid 50s woman.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/hailey-bieber-steps-nothing-blazer-005600080.html

Hailey Bieber does look older than her age, but doesn’t mean that the woman in the picture looks young(er).

The poster selected one photo. If you look at all her photos, she looks her age.

Ok? More evidence that photographs are not good measures of age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I guess about 70. She has bad bunions and disformed toes.

She has prominent nasialabial folds and her hairline has receded. It feels crummy to point these things out but there are always “tells” on aging.

It's BS. I would think that Hailey Bieber is early 40s, based on this photo. Same "folds" that she tries to cover with foundation. It's just you knew the pictured woman is someone's mother, and you logically infered the age. If she had all the make up, hair done, and you didn't know the true age, she can easily be mistaken with "US average" mid 50s woman.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/hailey-bieber-steps-nothing-blazer-005600080.html

Hailey Bieber does look older than her age, but doesn’t mean that the woman in the picture looks young(er).

The poster selected one photo. If you look at all her photos, she looks her age.

Ok? More evidence that photographs are not good measures of age.

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. If your photos show you with wrinkly hands and a wrinkly neck, nobody is going to buy that you're 30.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand the point of bringing up celebrities who are genetically and financially in the 0.0000001% of all Americans as examples of aging well.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the point of bringing up celebrities who are genetically and financially in the 0.0000001% of all Americans as examples of aging well.

The point was to show how wide can be perception of a person's age, even for celebrities who can use cosmetic surgery and have better genes to look younger/prettier. PPs claimed everyone looks their exact age: this is not the case. It's a well known fact that some men and women on dating apps are attracting 99% of swipes, specifically because they look younger/prettier than other profiles of similar age groups. My mother was dating well into her mid 60s and she was dating well-off decent looking men within 5 years of her own age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I guess about 70. She has bad bunions and disformed toes.

She has prominent nasialabial folds and her hairline has receded. It feels crummy to point these things out but there are always “tells” on aging.

It's BS. I would think that Hailey Bieber is early 40s, based on this photo. Same "folds" that she tries to cover with foundation. It's just you knew the pictured woman is someone's mother, and you logically infered the age. If she had all the make up, hair done, and you didn't know the true age, she can easily be mistaken with "US average" mid 50s woman.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/hailey-bieber-steps-nothing-blazer-005600080.html

Hailey Bieber does look older than her age, but doesn’t mean that the woman in the picture looks young(er).

The poster selected one photo. If you look at all her photos, she looks her age.

Ok? More evidence that photographs are not good measures of age.

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. If your photos show you with wrinkly hands and a wrinkly neck, nobody is going to buy that you're 30.

Hailey has wrinkly lower face and neck, actually, which is why she appears 40 on the photo. And nowadays there are injections available for the neck, hands, knees and elbows, so no - one can easily address it cosmetically if they want to.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the point of bringing up celebrities who are genetically and financially in the 0.0000001% of all Americans as examples of aging well.

The point was to show how wide can be perception of a person's age, even for celebrities who can use cosmetic surgery and have better genes to look younger/prettier. PPs claimed everyone looks their exact age: this is not the case. It's a well known fact that some men and women on dating apps are attracting 99% of swipes, specifically because they look younger/prettier than other profiles of similar age groups. My mother was dating well into her mid 60s and she was dating well-off decent looking men within 5 years of her own age.

You have said two different things. Yes, some people are prettier than others. That is a different matter than whether people look their age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

50% of women suffer hair loss by age 40. Nobody's hair will be as thick in their 40s as it was in their 20s.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

Wow the entire world is going to be very surprised to hear that it is women, akshually, that age more gracefully than men