Are men ugly or am I bi?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

Early 40s men often hit on me. I don’t have dating settings to include under 40s as I date for a relationship and I don’t find myself relating well to much younger men

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

25% of US marriages are when a man is younger than a woman. So it roughly quarter of men who would find an older woman attractive. I don't know why we started talking about 20-30s attraction to 40-50s. But we all know that wealthy men think their 20+ younger wives are genuinely attracted to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

You said people under 35 would find some percentage of 40-50 years old attractive. I assume you are not so delusional as to think there is a decent percentage of 21 years who find people their parents’ age or older attractive. So what is the starting age when you say under 35?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

lol! Try 1-2%

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

You said people under 35 would find some percentage of 40-50 years old attractive. I assume you are not so delusional as to think there is a decent percentage of 21 years who find people their parents’ age or older attractive. So what is the starting age when you say under 35?

We could use the top of the range. What % of 40-50 year olds would be attractive to them?

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

OP here. I would say, 25% of men in their 20s would want to f..k a 40 something woman who is very good looking and fit. I actually know it from experience (when my son was in sports his teammates were telling him about stuff about his hot mom, I even had to complain to the head coach of the team).

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

lol! Try 1-2%

Closer to 0.1%. Contrary to popular belief in this thread, there are not plenty of Salma Hayeks and Halle Berrys in suburbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

I don't know the percentage but if a woman in her 40s who looks like Beoynce goes to GW party, half of 20 something would want to f..k her

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

OP here. I would say, 25% of men in their 20s would want to f..k a 40 something woman who is very good looking and fit. I actually know it from experience (when my son was in sports his teammates were telling him about stuff about his hot mom, I even had to complain to the head coach of the team).

You are misunderstanding the question.

Take a random sample of people between the ages of 40 and 50. 100 men. 100 women.

Of those 100 men and 100 women, how many would a younger person find attractive? And by "younger" I mean 35 and under.

I seriously doubt that the average 30 year old would walk by 25 people in their mid 40s and do a double take.

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Anonymous wrote:Older men don't seem motivated to take care of themselves and seem to think this is attractive somehow.

Where are all of these well-maintained older women? The way some of you sound it's like most cities are crawling full of Gabrielle Unions and Salma Hayeks.

Or maybe find a stock internet photo of what you're seeing out there. Cuz I'm not seeing it.

A well maintained older woman in her 40-early 50s would look like a late 30s woman. You won’t realize the true age.

Lisa Ling is 51. No one is mistaking her for a late 30s woman. Constance Wu is 43 and could pass for 35. Ali Wong looks about her age.

Great. Can dcum guess the age of the pictured woman ?

https://imgur.com/a/CoEzipi

I’d say 50-55.

She's 70 on all photos (she also wears no makeup or hair style/dye). Many posters correctly guessed her age as they knew it was someone's mom. Indeed, the neck, toes and bunions gave up her late 60s-70s. But in real life when my mom goes out wearing makeup, shoes and a turtle neck, she's mistaken for mid 50s woman 90% of the time. She never had any procedures done, unlike the cited celebrities above.

I posted her photos to show that even at 70 any woman can be in a very decent shape, better than many others at 50. My mom goes to gym every other day since her mid 40s and maintains 22-23 BMI. She's 73 now and still doesn't have jawls (and PPs above claimed anyone gets them in late 40s).

It is not true that all women look their age. A lot of women and men have youthful genes and healthy lifestyle, and can easily look 10-15 years younger. Nowadays a woman in her 40-50s can easily use cosmetic procedures and makeup to look 10-15 years younger. Nobody really knows how to infer age

Lady, you are very invested in this narrative. You basically said, my mother hides and covers up evidence of her aging and then people can’t tell her age.

At least one poster thought he was in her 50s based on no make-up photos. The point is if the woman/man maintains a healthy weight/lifestyle, women have more options than men to look way younger than their actual age and remain sexually attractive longer. Men don't use cosmetics, they loose hair, don't use pedicure etc, so they are less attractive as they age.

You dismiss all the posters who said older and pick the one convenient to your claim. The reason I know your mother is not 50-55 is because I am 51. People tell me I look young for my age all the time, but the difference is that I don’t get high on my own supply. (Also everyone still thinks Golden Girls and don’t know what modern aging looks like). I look like a 51 year old with a good HHI who prioritizes exercise, medical care, and reasonable portions, and lives in an urban center in the first world.

There is zero chance that your mother and I stand next to each other and people think we’re peers.

Because you probably look like youthful, like an average low 40s US woman. If you compare my mom to the photos of "average US 50s women" you'll see why people often think she's mid 50s.

And yes, my point is that according to my observations, women who take care of their bodies on average age more gracefully than men. Yes, women's hair are thinner at 60, but men don't even have hair by that point! No matter how much he exercises, he would be bolding. And not all women have jawls by late 40s. People have a narrative and perception of 40-50s women looking like Golden Girls cast actresses. No, they actually more and more are looking like Salma Hayek, using sports and cosmetic enhancements to their benefit.

Women now age like a good wine, and men (at least in my observation at a very expensive gym) age worse.

The % of men and women in their 40s and 50s that younger people (35 and under) would find attractive is about the same for both genders. Probably 1%.

It's impossible for one gender to judge the other because they are looking at attraction through different lenses.

Not true at all. If you were in the dating world you'd know that plenty of late 20s and early 30s would go after people who are in shape in their 40s. 50s is starting to push it though.

So you think that 25 year old grad students find anywhere from 25% to 50% of 40-50 year olds attractive? The delusion runs strong here.

Brad, George, Idris, Beyonce, Halle and Salma are very extreme outliers and are not representative of even the Top 5% of major cities in this country. Using them as examples of what an older person "could" look like is odd.

OP here. I never claimed that 25 yo were hitting on me . I have troubles getting attracted/wanting to sleep with men who are my own age group: 40-50. They are mostly not well maintained.

Btw - all listed male actors look attractive to me but not younger than their actual age. Brad looks older than his age, imho, and not particular attractive but “f..,able”

I think Emmanuel Macron looks sexy as hell but he also looks older than his biological age - 47 yo

The claim was that people under 35 would probably find no more than 1% of the 40-50 population to be attractive. That claim was disputed. What % of men and women who are over 40 do you believe young people would find attractive?

What is the starting age?

I don't know what you mean. We could go with the lowest age of 40.

What percentage of 40 year olds could go to a GW grad party and turn the heads of the opposite sex? 30%? 50%?

OP here. I would say, 25% of men in their 20s would want to f..k a 40 something woman who is very good looking and fit. I actually know it from experience (when my son was in sports his teammates were telling him about stuff about his hot mom, I even had to complain to the head coach of the team).

If I ever doubted you are a troll, now you confirmed it. No I don’t believe that your son’s friends said stuff about his hot mom that your reported back to you that you discussed with the coach. Didn’t happen.