Where are Traditional Conservatives?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Again, that a bunch of traditional republicans are campaigning for democrats shows how far off the cliff MAGA has taken the GOP. This isn't the "win" you think it is.

Okay? This just means that their message is appealing to you. The fact remains that their message is targeted at you and not at MAGA. You like LP and you like the "MAGA is off the rails!" narrative. Can you see why that wouldn't be appealing to Republicans?

This thread is about "traditional conservatives" - Lincoln Party are, in fact, traditional conservatives. No one but Trump is trying to appeal to MAGAs....the are off the charts the worst of our country.

Lincoln Party is a group that saw an opportunity to get generational wealth off of campaigning against Trump. They ran ads on Fox News and hit gold when Trump tweeted about them.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI means I have an equal chance at landing the same job for the same pay as my male counterparts.

Do you trust Bloomberg news?

- 94% of jobs recently given EXCLUSIVELY to BIPOC Americans.

Does 94% given to ONE group sound like there was (as you put it) an “equal chance” in hiring? Read it yourself:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/#:~:text=While%20the%20biggest%20shifts%20in,went%20to%20workers%20of%20color.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/#:~:text=While%20the%20biggest%20shifts%20in,went%20to%20workers%20of%20color.

Yeah, so why don’t you provider the full detail? Most of these jobs for BIPOC hires were lower paying, entry level. The managerial hires were still a majority white. Moreover, white people still dominate higher paying / executive jobs.

Don’t worry, white people still have the advantage.

Not to mention that, when you are acknowledging and trying to recitfy a past injustice (not hiring people of color), well, yes the new hires are obviously going to be people of color. That was the point.

Fight racism with more racism.

And people wonder why young white males took a hard right.

I guess they should just "be cool" about being punished for stuff that happened before they were born. That's not realistic.

Like Black people and other minorities were supposed to just "be cool" with redlining, and women were supposed to just "be cool" with not being able to apply for a credit card in their own names, and people with ethnic sounding names were supposed to just "be cool" with realizing that if they just anglicize their names they'd finally land that job interview, and anyone other than white men were supposed to just "be cool" with the good old boy networks and golf course networking because no one else was allowed membership to the club - both literally and figuratively. GMAFB.

Sorry not sorry that when young white males finally had to actually compete and earn their place, they sometimes came up short. But yeah, when the shoe's on the other foot, doesn't feel so good does it? And no, this was never about two wrongs making a right. One is wrong, the other levels the playing field.

Damn right!

- and they expect us to just be cool with hundreds of years of slavery and we STILL don’t have any reparations for that? Oh hell no.

You weren't a slave. Why should I have to pay you?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Again, that a bunch of traditional republicans are campaigning for democrats shows how far off the cliff MAGA has taken the GOP. This isn't the "win" you think it is.

Okay? This just means that their message is appealing to you. The fact remains that their message is targeted at you and not at MAGA. You like LP and you like the "MAGA is off the rails!" narrative. Can you see why that wouldn't be appealing to Republicans?

This thread is about "traditional conservatives" - Lincoln Party are, in fact, traditional conservatives. No one but Trump is trying to appeal to MAGAs....the are off the charts the worst of our country.

Lincoln Party is a group that saw an opportunity to get generational wealth off of campaigning against Trump. They ran ads on Fox News and hit gold when Trump tweeted about them.

They were Republican consultants who didnt identify with republican politics anymore. That happened to a lot of people around the Tea Party time. The honest ones just started doing commercial work. The LP ones just transitioned to the other side of the aisle in a way that benefitted all parties involved.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Trump is a threat to this country’s freedom. He literally talked about terminating the Constitution. Every traditional conservative I know cares deeply about the Constitution. In a choice between voting with Democrats for the Constitution and voting with Republicans against the Constitution, of course The Lincoln Party would vote for Democrats. The real question is why anyone who considers themselves a traditional conservative would vote for someone who is willing to sacrifice the Constitution to their own ambition, especially after they had sworn in their first term to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Trump is a threat to this country’s freedom. He literally talked about terminating the Constitution. Every traditional conservative I know cares deeply about the Constitution. In a choice between voting with Democrats for the Constitution and voting with Republicans against the Constitution, of course The Lincoln Party would vote for Democrats. The real question is why anyone who considers themselves a traditional conservative would vote for someone who is willing to sacrifice the Constitution to their own ambition, especially after they had sworn in their first term to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

As you point out, none of these people are talking to MAGA, which makes up the vast majority of the GOP at this point, because "those people are the worst." So this message is shared among liberals and LP types and has no influence on the GOP base.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for everyone who hates Trump, which is most of the posters on DCUM.

Other than opposing Trump, what is your agenda for the country?

Taxing the wealthy and corporations to better fund programs that help working class/middle class Americans.

Overturning Citizens United.

Streamlined immigration system that offers more protection and dignity than sneaking across the border.

Stronger supports for young families (national paid parental leave, childcare subsidies and/or increasing the dependent FSA amount, more federal investment in public schools, increasing child tax credits, etc.)

Not having a sexual predator in the White House.

Fixing student loans so that people don’t pay more interest than the principal.

Expanded first time homebuyer tax credits/low interest loans.

Gun reform (e.g. taxes and limitations on ammo, strict liability for parents who don’t lock up their guns, waiting periods and background checks across all states).

Expanded access to mental health treatment including inpatient centers and drug rehabilitation.

Strong relationships with national allies and distancing from ties to Russia. Stop trying to buy Greenland.

And also I do agree with some conservative values. I’d love to see stricter enforcement of criminal laws, especially very harsh consequences for gun crimes and DUI. I’m also 100% for anything that will help limit fentanyl coming across our borders.

Let’s talk about your #1 priority, taxing the wealthy. If a family earns $1 million in ordinary income in a year, what do you think is the fair share they should pay in taxes?

See, that’s the problem with much of the right. They think $1 million a year is “wealthy”. They seem completely unaware of the amount of enormous , unimaginable wealth that exists in this country, so they don’t even register it as something we could tax.

And yet, every time the Democrats propose legislation they go all the way down to $500k and less. It's almost as if they try to lose elections.

Amen. My HHI is over $1M and they make no distinction between me and Elon Musk.

To 99% of americans, there is no distinction between you an Elon Musk. Do you know how much a million/yr of income would be to the average blue collar worker?

And you wonder why you lost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Traditional anti-war Democrats are now MAGA.

You just sit around and spew nonsense all day.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Trump is a threat to this country’s freedom. He literally talked about terminating the Constitution. Every traditional conservative I know cares deeply about the Constitution. In a choice between voting with Democrats for the Constitution and voting with Republicans against the Constitution, of course The Lincoln Party would vote for Democrats. The real question is why anyone who considers themselves a traditional conservative would vote for someone who is willing to sacrifice the Constitution to their own ambition, especially after they had sworn in their first term to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

As you point out, none of these people are talking to MAGA, which makes up the vast majority of the GOP at this point, because "those people are the worst." So this message is shared among liberals and LP types and has no influence on the GOP base.

That's what people are saying, over and over, today's GOP = racist MAGA.

Conservatism is dead, especially now that everyone knows the economy is better under Dems for the last few decades. Obama = traditional conservatism, IMO.

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I'm pp, I guess I should clarify...

Today's "GOP" = racist, traitorous MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lincoln Project people claim to be traditional conservatives. But they vote for democrats, so functionally they ARE democrats and have no influence on the party. Their funding, audience, and message all support democratic initiatives. Republicans are not their target audience. They are basically grifters.

The Lincoln Party folks are the very traditional conservatives who are the subject of this thread. No, they do not support democratic causes. They do support AMERICAN causes. It just shows how far off the rails MAGA is.

The Lincoln Party literally campaigns for democrats. You can pretend this is something different. But its just a campaign gimmick.

Trump is a threat to this country’s freedom. He literally talked about terminating the Constitution. Every traditional conservative I know cares deeply about the Constitution. In a choice between voting with Democrats for the Constitution and voting with Republicans against the Constitution, of course The Lincoln Party would vote for Democrats. The real question is why anyone who considers themselves a traditional conservative would vote for someone who is willing to sacrifice the Constitution to their own ambition, especially after they had sworn in their first term to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.

As you point out, none of these people are talking to MAGA, which makes up the vast majority of the GOP at this point, because "those people are the worst." So this message is shared among liberals and LP types and has no influence on the GOP base.

That's what people are saying, over and over, today's GOP = racist MAGA.

Conservatism is dead, especially now that everyone knows the economy is better under Dems for the last few decades. Obama = traditional conservatism, IMO.

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There is nothing conservative about Trump.

Russia = good

Telling a state governor what should happen in their state

No checks and balances so out with the Constitution?

That last one especially. The Constitution is the true conservatives Bible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading that traditional conservatives are appalled by this administration, but I'm not seeing any of them make statements or take any action. Has anyone seen this? I sincerely hope it is happening and wish it was more visible.

Tbh I now consider myself a conservative Democrat. I'm out.

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The sad thing is I don’t know if republicans can go backwards now. I don’t think being the party of McCain and Romney is even possible even when Trump is gone.

[Anonymous]

Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading that traditional conservatives are appalled by this administration, but I'm not seeing any of them make statements or take any action. Has anyone seen this? I sincerely hope it is happening and wish it was more visible.

We are appalled by this administration but even more appalled by the thought of a Harris presidency.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

Moderate responsible politics don’t make for good TV or viral videos.