Where are Traditional Conservatives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Supporting Ukraine defending itself isn’t supporting “perpetual wars.”

Supporting online moderation of bots, trolls, and bullying isn’t “totalitarianism”.


You’re up to your eyeballs in RW outrage and you’ve lost any sense of critical thinking. Anxiety does that and it keeps you clicking on their articles. Don’t let them use you.

I'm sorry, but I don't see ANY critical thinking on DCUM. Just a hivemind of how awful the other side is.

You progressives are great at winning elections. When it comes to running things, you suck, as does your ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

The government tried to force employers to force employees to get the shot. A court order stopped that. You can't backdoor health policy via OSHA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Supporting Ukraine defending itself isn’t supporting “perpetual wars.”

Supporting online moderation of bots, trolls, and bullying isn’t “totalitarianism”.


You’re up to your eyeballs in RW outrage and you’ve lost any sense of critical thinking. Anxiety does that and it keeps you clicking on their articles. Don’t let them use you.

I'm sorry, but I don't see ANY critical thinking on DCUM. Just a hivemind of how awful the other side is.

You progressives are great at winning elections. When it comes to running things, you suck, as does your ideology.

Progressives can only win in the deepest blue areas yet they think they can push their luck with the rest of the country. Overall both sides have sucked at governing. Whenever Democrats have been in charge they have failed to lock in vital policies, like protecting social security, Roe, voting rights, fixing gerrymandering, campaign finance reforms, needed immigration reforms, healthcare, wages, housing, worker and consumer protections, and so on while making government more solvent by ending tax cuts for billionaires, eliminating loopholes, offshoring and other dodges. They completely suck at messaging, they lack the short pithy soundbites and are inconsistent and incoherent and uncoordinated. They need to focus on messaging, and they need to put together a strong, coherent legislative agenda that will hit like a blitzkrieg to undo years of bad GOP policy and fix all of these things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Supporting Ukraine defending itself isn’t supporting “perpetual wars.”

Supporting online moderation of bots, trolls, and bullying isn’t “totalitarianism”.


You’re up to your eyeballs in RW outrage and you’ve lost any sense of critical thinking. Anxiety does that and it keeps you clicking on their articles. Don’t let them use you.

I'm sorry, but I don't see ANY critical thinking on DCUM. Just a hivemind of how awful the other side is.

You progressives are great at winning elections. When it comes to running things, you suck, as does your ideology.

Progressives can only win in the deepest blue areas yet they think they can push their luck with the rest of the country. Overall both sides have sucked at governing. Whenever Democrats have been in charge they have failed to lock in vital policies, like protecting social security, Roe, voting rights, fixing gerrymandering, campaign finance reforms, needed immigration reforms, healthcare, wages, housing, worker and consumer protections, and so on while making government more solvent by ending tax cuts for billionaires, eliminating loopholes, offshoring and other dodges. They completely suck at messaging, they lack the short pithy soundbites and are inconsistent and incoherent and uncoordinated. They need to focus on messaging, and they need to put together a strong, coherent legislative agenda that will hit like a blitzkrieg to undo years of bad GOP policy and fix all of these things.

blaming democrats for not being able to get a handful or GOP to support wildly popular positions is not the democrats fault

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

Oh how quickly we forget. Pepperidge Farms still remembers.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/fpm/blogs/gettingpaid/entry/health_care_staff_vaccination.html

If you want to work at a hospital or nursing home or assisted care facility, without being vaccinated, you better find one that is not treating my family or your family. I would never bring my parent or child to a facility that didn't require vaccinations and neither would most other people and all of those facilities would go out of business.

That's absurd. As long as they dont have an active infection, they are not in any way threatening you. There are people who have life threatening reactions to vaccines and they do not deserve your condemnation. There are also communities like Mennonites who have religious objections to vaccines. We can't just discriminate against these people with disabilities or religious beliefs, for no reason other than the fact that the American left treats vaccines like a religion.

I do not have to take my family member to a healthcare facility in the middle of a pandemic or a measles outbreak if they don't require vaccinations.

Go ahead and run such a facility and see if you can stay in business. Who is going to take their patients for care to such a place?

Unless you live in a big city, you don't really have a choice. Most people are stuck with one hospital within reasonable driving distance. They don't have Sloan-Kettering, Mount Sinai, and multiple university hospitals within walking distance.

Way to miss the point. The vast majority of people, if given the choice, would take their loved one to a facility that is trying to have as high a vax rate as possible to protect all of the patients and staff. Particularly the ones that are too young or are not able to get a vaccine for some other reason.

If you choose to go to the germ party facility, that would be a very rare choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

You are a conspiracy theorist. Not sure that counts as a 'traditional conservative.' l

DP. Perhaps.
But, then, we have discovered that nearly every EO Biden signed was done with an auto pen. Makes one question who was really making the decisions.

Biden - on more than one occasion - seemed clueless about the things he had signed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

I'm an Asian female and don't support DEI. Here's the thing - any policy suggesting someone should move forward based on their gender or race is not being sincere in consideration of merit. Being prejudice to not support poor folks who aren't white amounts to the same sort of discrimination v white rich males. It's not like the latter should not be considered automatically because they didn't work hard or have mastery over a subject just because they happen to be rich and white. Merit is the only thing ever that should be focused on. DEI is simply reverse discrimination. I don't want to be hired for any other reason than being good at what I do and working hard at that. That's an insult for me to be hired based on DEI. I happen to own my own business and will tell you that I get so many more advantages in my industry than a white male who has their own business that often I'm sad for them. It's totally unfair to look at anything other than merit and when you talk about differences, you make differences.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

I'm an Asian female and don't support DEI. Here's the thing - any policy suggesting someone should move forward based on their gender or race is not being sincere in consideration of merit. Being prejudice to not support poor folks who aren't white amounts to the same sort of discrimination v white rich males. It's not like the latter should not be considered automatically because they didn't work hard or have mastery over a subject just because they happen to be rich and white. Merit is the only thing ever that should be focused on. DEI is simply reverse discrimination. I don't want to be hired for any other reason than being good at what I do and working hard at that. That's an insult for me to be hired based on DEI. I happen to own my own business and will tell you that I get so many more advantages in my industry than a white male who has their own business that often I'm sad for them. It's totally unfair to look at anything other than merit and when you talk about differences, you make differences.

You don’t understand what DEI is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

I'm an Asian female and don't support DEI. Here's the thing - any policy suggesting someone should move forward based on their gender or race is not being sincere in consideration of merit. Being prejudice to not support poor folks who aren't white amounts to the same sort of discrimination v white rich males. It's not like the latter should not be considered automatically because they didn't work hard or have mastery over a subject just because they happen to be rich and white. Merit is the only thing ever that should be focused on. DEI is simply reverse discrimination. I don't want to be hired for any other reason than being good at what I do and working hard at that. That's an insult for me to be hired based on DEI. I happen to own my own business and will tell you that I get so many more advantages in my industry than a white male who has their own business that often I'm sad for them. It's totally unfair to look at anything other than merit and when you talk about differences, you make differences.

You don’t understand what DEI is. [player.

+1
You have to watch some Asian women. They think they'll get a spot at the MAGA table.
- an Asian woman

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Supporting Ukraine defending itself isn’t supporting “perpetual wars.”

Supporting online moderation of bots, trolls, and bullying isn’t “totalitarianism”.


You’re up to your eyeballs in RW outrage and you’ve lost any sense of critical thinking. Anxiety does that and it keeps you clicking on their articles. Don’t let them use you.

I'm sorry, but I don't see ANY critical thinking on DCUM. Just a hivemind of how awful the other side is.

You progressives are great at winning elections. When it comes to running things, you suck, as does your ideology.

Is DCUM your news source? That’s a problem. You have no idea who someone is behind the keyboard and lots of people pretend to be something they’re not - like foreign trolls pretending to be an American or when a guy from 4Chan pretends to be a liberal.

Liberals are generally good at governing because they actually believe government is important in a civilized society. But government is slow, boring, and requires compromise and MAGA hates that, so they sabotage any progress in a quest for their dopamine hit of WWF and gossip rag entertainment. They will never be good at it because they don’t even believe in it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

And I meant to add: you created a multi-billion dollar DEI or DEIA “industry.” The fact is:

DEI = racism. I cannot and will not support racism; will you?

DEI is there to counter racism. wow, you really live in a different world.

I'm an Asian female and don't support DEI. Here's the thing - any policy suggesting someone should move forward based on their gender or race is not being sincere in consideration of merit. Being prejudice to not support poor folks who aren't white amounts to the same sort of discrimination v white rich males. It's not like the latter should not be considered automatically because they didn't work hard or have mastery over a subject just because they happen to be rich and white. Merit is the only thing ever that should be focused on. DEI is simply reverse discrimination. I don't want to be hired for any other reason than being good at what I do and working hard at that. That's an insult for me to be hired based on DEI. I happen to own my own business and will tell you that I get so many more advantages in my industry than a white male who has their own business that often I'm sad for them. It's totally unfair to look at anything other than merit and when you talk about differences, you make differences.

The programs are not designed to move people forward based on gender or race. the programs are design to maximize the possibilty that ALL roles are not filled by white males as they pretty much have been historically in the US until the late 1960's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is. He left the Republican Party in 2016. He’s politically homeless. He can see that there’s nothing conservative about the current Republican Party, and finds a lot of the politicians ignorant and morally repugnant.

He is not opposed to DEI, knows all the “trans” fear-mongering is BS, and is strongly pro-choice. He has zero interest in or patience for the made up culture wars.

You must not have daughters.

Did one of your daughters happen to compete against one of the very small handful of trans athletes in the entire country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a traditional, pro-family values, pro-America, church-going conservative.

While I find Trump’s blunt, NYC-style of talk rather distasteful, and no one admires his family history of infidelity and divorce, his policies are the opposite of what you progressives have put in place over the THREE (3) terms of President Obama.

And let’s stop pretending it was demented Biden directing the country; Obama ran things from behind the curtain.

You cheered on the invasion of our country, demonized our police, and rammed through a truly weird transgender agenda in our public schools, which even my gay friends find really weird.

BTW - I do agree with you progressives in favor war in Ukraine until victory; I want to see Putin’s evil-empire 2.0 completely collapse because I have family in Europe, and I know there will never be peace or real security in Europe until the Putin / puppet Medvedev regime collapses. Putin can’t be trusted.

You are a conspiracy theorist. Not sure that counts as a 'traditional conservative.' l

DP. Perhaps.
But, then, we have discovered that nearly every EO Biden signed was done with an auto pen. Makes one question who was really making the decisions.

Biden - on more than one occasion - seemed clueless about the things he had signed.

Proving you’re reading terrible sources like Daily Mail and Fox. Get your brain out of the gutter.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

NP.

I was threatened with firing if I did not comply with the shot mandate.

Economic deprivation is a recognized form persecution.