Where are Traditional Conservatives?

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

That is on your employer. You could get a different job. Again, no one forced you to get vaccinated, ever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

I am willing to bet 100% that you support the DOGE federal layoffs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

I am willing to bet 100% that you support the DOGE federal layoffs.

Why shouldn’t I? You just said it’s fine when the government makes a policy and I lose my job because of it. Why should I care when it happens to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

That is on your employer. You could get a different job. Again, no one forced you to get vaccinated, ever.

Yep, just like all the federal workers now can find a different job. If they’re good they’ll find something in a similar role or industry, and if not then they’ll need to find something else.

[Anonymous]

MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

Sooooo
That means they were right about you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

Sooooo
That means they were right about you?

You started as the bully first, and want us to have empathy now that you’re being bullied? Nah, it’s more fun watching you fall apart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

Sooooo
That means they were right about you?

You started as the bully first, and want us to have empathy now that you’re being bullied? Nah, it’s more fun watching you fall apart.

Well, enjoy your life, nazi. No point in logic with you

[Anonymous]

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You started as the bully first, and want us to have empathy now that you’re being bullied? Nah, it’s more fun watching you fall apart.

Here is what she actually said:

https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?

The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

Which part of that ACTUAL quote is "bullying?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

Sooooo
That means they were right about you?

You started as the bully first, and want us to have empathy now that you’re being bullied? Nah, it’s more fun watching you fall apart.

Well, enjoy your life, nazi. No point in logic with you

Enjoy unemployment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGA heartlessness and lack of participation in a social compact exposed.

We are deplorables and Nazis remember? Calling us that was ok, right? Now it’s your turn to be on the opposite end.

Sooooo
That means they were right about you?

You started as the bully first, and want us to have empathy now that you’re being bullied? Nah, it’s more fun watching you fall apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are the traditional liberals? They used to believe in individual freedom and peace. Now you advocate for government totalitarianism and perpetual wars. You've lost your minds

Supporting Ukraine defending itself isn’t supporting “perpetual wars.”

Supporting online moderation of bots, trolls, and bullying isn’t “totalitarianism”.


You’re up to your eyeballs in RW outrage and you’ve lost any sense of critical thinking. Anxiety does that and it keeps you clicking on their articles. Don’t let them use you.