Where are Traditional Conservatives?

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Traditional conservatives are always for sale. That is the only consistent tradition of conservatism.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is. He left the Republican Party in 2016. He’s politically homeless. He can see that there’s nothing conservative about the current Republican Party, and finds a lot of the politicians ignorant and morally repugnant.

He is not opposed to DEI, knows all the “trans” fear-mongering is BS, and is strongly pro-choice. He has zero interest in or patience for the made up culture wars.

You must not have daughters.

Did one of your daughters happen to compete against one of the very small handful of trans athletes in the entire country?

NP. The entire gender ideology belief system is incredibly misogynist.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

NP.

I was threatened with firing if I did not comply with the shot mandate.

Economic deprivation is a recognized form persecution.

Vaccines have been required in civilized societies for almost two centuries. They have added almost 40 years to life expectancy.

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

NP.

I was threatened with firing if I did not comply with the shot mandate.

Economic deprivation is a recognized form persecution.

Funny how you MAGA never complain about drug testing. How is that any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Ideology is dead in America. Todays Democrats stand for nothing at all except performance theater - pink dresses and paddles, anyone? Or how about Black Lives Matter Plaza? Or Trans reading hour at the library? Meanwhile, when was the last time a Democrat talked about health care? Or the environment? They don't because there is nothing there. Anti-Trump theater is the only thing that animates Democrats.

And Republicans are even worse. It's nothing but a cult of personality. There's no ideological underpinning anywhere. Just blind submission to an absurd narcissist in makeup. It's not even about returning to 19th Century Great Power politics since Republicans are doing everything possible to destroy America's national security. Republicans are beyond pathetic with their frightening devotion to a reality tv character.

So both traditional liberals and conservatives are politically homeless these days. I'd venture to guess at least 60 percent of the country hates both parties.

As a liberal leftist I agree with this. The problem is that I don’t think there is much consensus between my core views (raising my taxes is ok with me if the money goes to helping others and not war / defense spending and no one should make decisions over my body) and traditional conservatives (constitution above all, anti choice, Russia and Communism bad in all instances, let’s spend more on war, taxes must be cut, and we need to balance the budget by cutting services to people).

Maybe we can agree that some programs designed to help people are either not working or inefficient? I’m ok with reevaluating but I’m not okay with letting a kid go hungry or not lending a helping hand to an older adult at risk of homelessness (and I do agree there has been too much silly language like “unhoused” rather than homeless or “pregnant people”. And I am also not okay with support for wars in cases where the US is not directly attacked (and that in those cases we attack the attacker NOT an uninvolved country like Iraq).

Do you still strongly believe that “no one should make decisions over my body” when it comes to vaccines? Or only when you want to be allowed to physically cut and rip apart a baby that’s growing in your womb?

Unless you were a government employee, no one forced you to get a vaccine shot. You can choose not to shop at that store or continue in that job, but there was never a time someone held you down and forced a jab on you.

It actually went a bit further than what you’re claiming. My company for example had one team working on one government project, so the entire company needed to get vaccines, even those who hadn’t heard of the government job, let alone worked on it. But I agree with you in theory that I could have just quit, and that you don’t owe me anything. Which is the same reason I don’t care about all the feds currently losing their jobs - but I know you’d call me an AH for that.

If your company was contracting with the government, then it had to play by the governments rules. your company could have canceled the contract or you could have quit. Again, no one forced you to get a shot.

If I didn’t get the shot, I wouldn’t have had a job. But it’s nice of you to remind me that nobody is owed a job, the government can add or change rules arbitrarily (even after explicitly promising no mandates like in Biden’s case in order to get elected in the first place), and that if someone is fired for something unrelated to their job performance then nobody else should give a d@mn.

Get the damn shot. If Trump could get it then so can you.

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You are not my boss. Don't like it, too bad.

So can employers who want a safe workplace. Don't like it? Too bad. But falsely claiming that you were FORCED to get a shot is simply a lie. And suggesting falsely that the federal government forced you to get a shot is deplorable.

NP.

I was threatened with firing if I did not comply with the shot mandate.

Economic deprivation is a recognized form persecution.

LOL, no, an employer using science to want a safe workplace is called being responsible. You could have quit the job. No one forced you to get a shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading that traditional conservatives are appalled by this administration, but I'm not seeing any of them make statements or take any action. Has anyone seen this? I sincerely hope it is happening and wish it was more visible.

Converted to MAGA. Otherwise, Harris would be president. Never trust a Republican of any persuasion.