Are women constantly being harassed or does the news recently just make it feel that way?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's blown out of proportion. I am a woman. I am average looking. Statistically speaking most women are average looking. We don't live in a sexually repressed society. It is easy to get sex. Women are not that harassed as it is portrayed by the media. We do not live on a planet where every woman is a ten, supermodel type. Sorry to say this but lots of women are not that attractive to men. Therefore, the media witch hunt of all men and false victimization of all women is simply false.

It would appear that you are in a small minority of women who think this way. If you are, indeed, a woman.

I am def a woman. I am Eastern European.
I am so sorry to break it down to all reading this thread but most women are simply not that gorgeous. In order for an average man to desire a woman sexually he needs to be attracted to some of her features and vice versa.
Therefore, the media narrative is false.
As with everything there are exceptions where criminals attack old women, children, disabled, etc. However, those are the exceptions. The media keeps spinning the false narrative how every average woman is absolutely overwhelmed by male sexual attention. Men in the West can get sex easily, they don't need to harass average looking women and get into trouble for it.

This comment has nothing to do with assault or lack thereof, but I think you are DRAMATICALLY overestimating what it takes to get a man aroused. Average women inspire men's lust all day long. Honestly, it is only grotesquely unattractive or super old women who literally don't inspire male lust.

I think many women are frankly delusional about men being attracted to them or about their own attractiveness/looks.
You are even more delusional to think that if you are over 35 that men will sexually swarm you.
I guess only the culture that promotes the unattractive can actually convince women into something that has no basis in biological reality.
Yes, I am a woman.

I am the PP. Men are not that picky about where they will stick their D. Believe it. Does it mean they are going to SWARM an average reproductive age woman? No, probably not. But they really, truly are just not that picky about sex. Their semen is just ridiculously cheap. That is the biological reality.

[Anonymous]

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I always say "no" first. Many of us are. If not for persistent courtship that resulted in a marrige I wouldn't exist (parents are still happily married).

If a woman doesn't say yes the first time, I don't keep pushing it. I have my pride.

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Anonymous wrote:It's blown out of proportion. I am a woman. I am average looking. Statistically speaking most women are average looking. We don't live in a sexually repressed society. It is easy to get sex. Women are not that harassed as it is portrayed by the media. We do not live on a planet where every woman is a ten, supermodel type. Sorry to say this but lots of women are not that attractive to men. Therefore, the media witch hunt of all men and false victimization of all women is simply false.

It would appear that you are in a small minority of women who think this way. If you are, indeed, a woman.

I am def a woman. I am Eastern European.
I am so sorry to break it down to all reading this thread but most women are simply not that gorgeous. In order for an average man to desire a woman sexually he needs to be attracted to some of her features and vice versa.
Therefore, the media narrative is false.
As with everything there are exceptions where criminals attack old women, children, disabled, etc. However, those are the exceptions. The media keeps spinning the false narrative how every average woman is absolutely overwhelmed by male sexual attention. Men in the West can get sex easily, they don't need to harass average looking women and get into trouble for it.

This comment has nothing to do with assault or lack thereof, but I think you are DRAMATICALLY overestimating what it takes to get a man aroused. Average women inspire men's lust all day long. Honestly, it is only grotesquely unattractive or super old women who literally don't inspire male lust.

I think many women are frankly delusional about men being attracted to them or about their own attractiveness/looks.
You are even more delusional to think that if you are over 35 that men will sexually swarm you.
I guess only the culture that promotes the unattractive can actually convince women into something that has no basis in biological reality.
Yes, I am a woman.

I am the PP. Men are not that picky about where they will stick their D. Believe it. Does it mean they are going to SWARM an average reproductive age woman? No, probably not. But they really, truly are just not that picky about sex. Their semen is just ridiculously cheap. That is the biological reality.

Men are attracted to beauty(symmetry) and signs of reproductive potential in a woman. That is a biological reality that everyone from academia to media are trying to vehemently oppose.
Men will only expand energy to get those attributes not to stick their d* as you say anywhere.
If they just want that they can easily get a prostitute. Logically, it follows that a man will not expand his energy on an average female, since he can easily obtain sex.
This whole problem will be solved by sex dolls that will resemble young, beautiful, fertile women. Sex dolls will usher a hysteria-free era of human sexuality.

However, we are left with a huge female population (often average looking) who desperately want men to want them.
It is time to address the age old issue of female vanity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's blown out of proportion. I am a woman. I am average looking. Statistically speaking most women are average looking. We don't live in a sexually repressed society. It is easy to get sex. Women are not that harassed as it is portrayed by the media. We do not live on a planet where every woman is a ten, supermodel type. Sorry to say this but lots of women are not that attractive to men. Therefore, the media witch hunt of all men and false victimization of all women is simply false.

It would appear that you are in a small minority of women who think this way. If you are, indeed, a woman.

I am def a woman. I am Eastern European.
I am so sorry to break it down to all reading this thread but most women are simply not that gorgeous. In order for an average man to desire a woman sexually he needs to be attracted to some of her features and vice versa.
Therefore, the media narrative is false.
As with everything there are exceptions where criminals attack old women, children, disabled, etc. However, those are the exceptions. The media keeps spinning the false narrative how every average woman is absolutely overwhelmed by male sexual attention. Men in the West can get sex easily, they don't need to harass average looking women and get into trouble for it.

This comment has nothing to do with assault or lack thereof, but I think you are DRAMATICALLY overestimating what it takes to get a man aroused. Average women inspire men's lust all day long. Honestly, it is only grotesquely unattractive or super old women who literally don't inspire male lust.

I think many women are frankly delusional about men being attracted to them or about their own attractiveness/looks.
You are even more delusional to think that if you are over 35 that men will sexually swarm you.
I guess only the culture that promotes the unattractive can actually convince women into something that has no basis in biological reality.
Yes, I am a woman.

I am the PP. Men are not that picky about where they will stick their D. Believe it. Does it mean they are going to SWARM an average reproductive age woman? No, probably not. But they really, truly are just not that picky about sex. Their semen is just ridiculously cheap. That is the biological reality.

Men are attracted to beauty(symmetry) and signs of reproductive potential in a woman. That is a biological reality that everyone from academia to media are trying to vehemently oppose.
Men will only expand energy to get those attributes not to stick their d* as you say anywhere.
If they just want that they can easily get a prostitute. Logically, it follows that a man will not expand his energy on an average female, since he can easily obtain sex.
This whole problem will be solved by sex dolls that will resemble young, beautiful, fertile women. Sex dolls will usher a hysteria-free era of human sexuality.

However, we are left with a huge female population (often average looking) who desperately want men to want them.
It is time to address the age old issue of female vanity.

Most reproductive age women are perfectly fertile. Obese women are often not, and they do not attract many men. Hairy women or acne prone women are often not, and they do not attract many men. Old women are often not, and they do not attract many men.

But young, fit, average face women attract men all day long. Put your sex doll down and look outside your house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, just to give you a sense of what it's like: women are constantly negotiating the threat of men. We learn to function like that because we have to survive, it's automatic every second of the day that we're out of the house so it's not exhausting on every level, but it sucks. I don't feel "free" in society if that makes sense. I mean, I'm sure men don't feel "free" because they can't walk down the street at night without being careful about being attacked, but they probably don't mortally fear for their lives when they are walking alone at night. They probably don't change their walking route home from work when it starts to get dark earlier. They probably don't carefully navigate every interaction with the one regular at the coffee shop and the certain colleague at work because of the potential for harm there. They probably don't make a little decisions to keep themselves safe the way that women have to. And many women have to do this even in their most intimate relationships. Men hurt women. It's a sad fact of life.

This to me, seems extreme. I am a woman who teaches in a high school with many teenage boys and male teachers. I am not constantly worried that they are going to attack me or make a pass at me. I also don't fear for my life when I am walking alone at night and I don't worry when I talk to the barista at Starbucks that he is going to harass me. Is this really how a lot of women go through their days?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, just to give you a sense of what it's like: women are constantly negotiating the threat of men. We learn to function like that because we have to survive, it's automatic every second of the day that we're out of the house so it's not exhausting on every level, but it sucks. I don't feel "free" in society if that makes sense. I mean, I'm sure men don't feel "free" because they can't walk down the street at night without being careful about being attacked, but they probably don't mortally fear for their lives when they are walking alone at night. They probably don't change their walking route home from work when it starts to get dark earlier. They probably don't carefully navigate every interaction with the one regular at the coffee shop and the certain colleague at work because of the potential for harm there. They probably don't make a little decisions to keep themselves safe the way that women have to. And many women have to do this even in their most intimate relationships. Men hurt women. It's a sad fact of life.

This to me, seems extreme. I am a woman who teaches in a high school with many teenage boys and male teachers. I am not constantly worried that they are going to attack me or make a pass at me. I also don't fear for my life when I am walking alone at night and I don't worry when I talk to the barista at Starbucks that he is going to harass me. Is this really how a lot of women go through their days?

If they do they are probably fed a daily diet by the fake media, hence they are delusional.

[Anonymous]

Men will only expand energy to get those attributes not to stick their d* as you say anywhere.
If they just want that they can easily get a prostitute. Logically, it follows that a man will not expand his energy on an average female, since he can easily obtain sex.
This whole problem will be solved by sex dolls that will resemble young, beautiful, fertile women. Sex dolls will usher a hysteria-free era of human sexuality.

However, we are left with a huge female population (often average looking) who desperately want men to want them.
It is time to address the age old issue of female vanity.

Your logic is flawed a couple different ways, Ms. Spork. Just stop theorizing.

[Anonymous]

I am 45. My experiences that come to mind, not all harassment but things on the edge, are: high school teacher and I entering into a sexual relationship while I was underaged; being followed by men, sometimes with cat calls or comments but not frequently; forcible "date rape" first year of college (as in, standing with date in his dorm room and his pushing me over and forcibly raping me); several sexualized conversations with superiors at work mixed with offers to provide me with access to better assignments (both in law school and after while practicing law); strong relationship with a long-time mentor attorney who was high status in my field stopped immediately after I failed to back him when another female employee made allegations of harassment against him; and generalize comments made by colleagues I am not close with in public settings regarding my looks ("aren't you looking great today," "show us that beautiful smile," etc.), my marriage ("isn't your husband a lucky man" stated after I return to work from the gym, etc.), and general sexualized comments. Not all of the is harassment by any means. It varies greatly by context, the person involved, and the persistence despite social cues to stop. i would guess that once a week or so someone says or does something that someone with a different outlook could report to HR is he/she wished, but I tend to shut things down quickly and without disruption so I've only had a few circumstances where I've needed to state directly to someone that he needed to stop inappropriate behavior. And in each case it stopped. But, to be honest, I have power many others don't. I'm well-connected, professionally successful, and wealthy (being honest here is important to the point). People won't mess with me too much because they know I won't (and don't have to) put up with shit. If I didn't have those benefits, which most women do not have, things might be quite different.

[Anonymous]

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Men will only expand energy to get those attributes not to stick their d* as you say anywhere.
If they just want that they can easily get a prostitute. Logically, it follows that a man will not expand his energy on an average female, since he can easily obtain sex.
This whole problem will be solved by sex dolls that will resemble young, beautiful, fertile women. Sex dolls will usher a hysteria-free era of human sexuality.

However, we are left with a huge female population (often average looking) who desperately want men to want them.
It is time to address the age old issue of female vanity.

Your logic is flawed a couple different ways, Ms. Spork. Just stop theorizing.

Jfc, for real. "Female vanity" is the problem here? Lol!

[Anonymous]

Unless of course, you want to work. Or shop. Or vacation. Or see the doctor.

You do realize that large portion of sexual harassment happens with men with whom you don't actively choose to engage? Hell I got followed around CVS last night while I was buying toilet paper by a homeless dude in my neighborhood. He likes to stand on the corner licking his lips and staring at me when I drink my coffee outside on the patio after a workout. Any advice on "completely cutting out" this guy? Why is the reality of what women experience so hard for people to accept?

[Anonymous]

Guy here. It's very wrong to generalize about all men. I think most of us are able to conduct ourselves as gentlemen. That still leaves a LOT of guys who are pigs. Some of them are so lacking in social skills that they can't attract or keep a woman and so they are always on the hunt. They scare most women away or offend them on a daily basis. Their best prospects are a drunk woman at the end of the night. But they also try the shotgun approach during the day, offending large numbers of women in the hopes that maybe one will respond positively.

These guys harass women where they work, where they shop, when they go out, even in traffic. Besides actual physical contact or any other kind of sexual assault-regardless of your definition or legal definitions-women are subjected to constant threats by men who want to treat them as little more than potential sex partners.

As far as the question, are most women constantly harassed, hell yes they are. And it pisses me off. It should really anger any decent guy because it makes women defensive about any encounter with a man she doesn't know and it's happening to our wives, friends, sisters, daughters and mothers. She has to be on guard all the time. Is the random guy going to interpret a friendly smile or conversation for flirting and try to take it to the next level? Or does she need to put up a wall right away limit her interaction with the guy so it hopefully doesn't get to that level?

Have you really talked to any women about this? A woman can barely get through the week without encountering new, or persistent offers from men who are everything from polite, to vulgar or even threatening. Us men really have no idea and the women in our lives probably spare us from hearing about most of it.

We live in a different world where constant concern for our safety is not a thing. I think nothing of going about everyday tasks like, putting gas in my car, walking through a parking lot, walking at night, or everyday interactions with other people.

If I go out with my attractive wife for a fun evening, and she dresses up for the night in a sexy dress or similar outfit, I can barely turn my back on her for a minute without guys hitting on her, if not hitting on her right in front of me. They seriously don't care. Especially as the night progresses and the drinks accumulate. Taking her out dancing is a real eye opener into what women deal with but I 'll never see most of it. At least in that situation, I can have a friendly guy to guy conversation and diffuse the situation.

The current conversations going on, stemming from Weinstein and snowballing from there are good, healthy, and about time. Seriously, this shit needs to stop and decent men are our best bet to make it stop. It's not just a woman's issue and it's not on women to solve alone. It's an issue for all of us.

Men need too talk to other men about this. Stop the boys club, or locker room mentality. It's easy to do, effective and I've done it for years. I'll isolate or even shame a guy in any group I'm a part of who acts that way and ask him to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's blown out of proportion. I am a woman. I am average looking. Statistically speaking most women are average looking. We don't live in a sexually repressed society. It is easy to get sex. Women are not that harassed as it is portrayed by the media. We do not live on a planet where every woman is a ten, supermodel type. Sorry to say this but lots of women are not that attractive to men. Therefore, the media witch hunt of all men and false victimization of all women is simply false.

You assume that only attractive women get assaulted, which is false. I remember about a decade ago an 80+ year old woman was raped in her home in the DC area.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with looks. If you haven’t experienced harassment it’s because you are LUCKY and no other reason.

I'm reminded of something I read: "Men don't rape because they can't have the kind of sex they want. Rape *is* the kind of sex they want." The kind of men who do this kind of stuff get off on scaring women, enjoy forcing them, get a kick out of humiliating them, have fun showing them who's in charge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Non-stop sexual harassment? Maybe not, but non-stop sexualization, yes.

I defy any woman on this board to say they've never felt uncomfortable by a man's attention -- whether it involved staring/leering, comments, unwanted touches or unwanted pursuit for dates/sex. That is a reality I think men simply don't understand.

That said, I don't think inappropriate comments rise to the level of being trapped in a car with a man twice your age who is forcing your face toward his groin or being asked for sex by someone who could end your career with a single call.

But what about all of the times YOU LIKED IT? How is a man supposed to know in advance if you're going like it or not unless he tries? As long as you backs off when you tell him, there is no problem. GROW UP!

And right there is the problem. A totally clueless guy with little to no social skills, covertly offering his D to nearly every woman he encounters that he thinks may be F'able.

Let me help you out there, buddy. If you are talking about, "staring/leering, comments, unwanted touches or unwanted pursuit for dates/sex." She doesn't EVER like it, regardless of her reaction. There, now you "know in advance." It's shouldn't be on her to back you off from your clumsy, unwanted attempts to get to know her.

Please do the rest of us a favor and learn how to actually talk to women in a non-threatening way. Start a dialogue that does not involve you and her getting together, or anything that even hints of her sexuality or attractiveness. Or better yet, just leave her the F alone and let her go about her business. She came into the Starbucks to get coffee, not a date. She went to the gas station to buy gas and maybe a snack, not to entertain some leering guy following her around the store, then trapping her in the check out line with stupid come-ons, asking for her phone number. Asking if she is married and all the other stupid shit I'm sure you do.

Because, you know, how does a guy like you have any idea if she is going to like it, unless he tries? Seriously, pay attention and get a clue. Stop bothering women and learn how to interact with people in a non-threatening manner.

[Anonymous]

Chris Rock had some words of wisdom

https://youtu.be/90qpDg5y7Lo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guy here. It's very wrong to generalize about all men. I think most of us are able to conduct ourselves as gentlemen. That still leaves a LOT of guys who are pigs. Some of them are so lacking in social skills that they can't attract or keep a woman and so they are always on the hunt. They scare most women away or offend them on a daily basis. Their best prospects are a drunk woman at the end of the night. But they also try the shotgun approach during the day, offending large numbers of women in the hopes that maybe one will respond positively.

These guys harass women where they work, where they shop, when they go out, even in traffic. Besides actual physical contact or any other kind of sexual assault-regardless of your definition or legal definitions-women are subjected to constant threats by men who want to treat them as little more than potential sex partners.

As far as the question, are most women constantly harassed, hell yes they are. And it pisses me off. It should really anger any decent guy because it makes women defensive about any encounter with a man she doesn't know and it's happening to our wives, friends, sisters, daughters and mothers. She has to be on guard all the time. Is the random guy going to interpret a friendly smile or conversation for flirting and try to take it to the next level? Or does she need to put up a wall right away limit her interaction with the guy so it hopefully doesn't get to that level?

Have you really talked to any women about this? A woman can barely get through the week without encountering new, or persistent offers from men who are everything from polite, to vulgar or even threatening. Us men really have no idea and the women in our lives probably spare us from hearing about most of it.

We live in a different world where constant concern for our safety is not a thing. I think nothing of going about everyday tasks like, putting gas in my car, walking through a parking lot, walking at night, or everyday interactions with other people.

If I go out with my attractive wife for a fun evening, and she dresses up for the night in a sexy dress or similar outfit, I can barely turn my back on her for a minute without guys hitting on her, if not hitting on her right in front of me. They seriously don't care. Especially as the night progresses and the drinks accumulate. Taking her out dancing is a real eye opener into what women deal with but I 'll never see most of it. At least in that situation, I can have a friendly guy to guy conversation and diffuse the situation.

The current conversations going on, stemming from Weinstein and snowballing from there are good, healthy, and about time. Seriously, this shit needs to stop and decent men are our best bet to make it stop. It's not just a woman's issue and it's not on women to solve alone. It's an issue for all of us.

Men need too talk to other men about this. Stop the boys club, or locker room mentality. It's easy to do, effective and I've done it for years. I'll isolate or even shame a guy in any group I'm a part of who acts that way and ask him to stop.

Thank you.