How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

Even calling them illegal immigrants is a compromise. They used to be called illegal aliens, but I suppose that was too negative. But there certainly are illegal immigrants - they immigrated here illegally. This "undocumented immigrant" is just to be extra respectful to people with no regard for our immigration laws.

Also, what you say about their being terrified of being caught won't apply if and when gives blanket amnesty. They they WILL come out of the woodwork, claiming benefits for the American-born babies.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.

I am aware of all that. I still believe its unnecessarily derogatory. Undocumented means literally the same thing. I don't know why it bothers the other side so much that a slightly more humanizing term is used. I would not object to you calling them criminals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

Even calling them illegal immigrants is a compromise. They used to be called illegal aliens, but I suppose that was too negative. But there certainly are illegal immigrants - they immigrated here illegally. This "undocumented immigrant" is just to be extra respectful to people with no regard for our immigration laws.

Also, what you say about their being terrified of being caught won't apply if and when gives blanket amnesty. They they WILL come out of the woodwork, claiming benefits for the American-born babies.

Blanket amnesty is never going to happen again. Political suicide. And if there is one thing that all politicians are it is self interested.

You do not get to dictate how I refer to a population. I could refer to you as a human, a person, a woman/man, a troll. In English we have a lot of synonyms. I choose undocumented immigrant and I am not making a compromise, I am using language as I choose, my right via the first amendment as a US citizen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.

I am aware of all that. I still believe its unnecessarily derogatory. Undocumented means literally the same thing. I don't know why it bothers the other side so much that a slightly more humanizing term is used. I would not object to you calling them criminals.

DP. So it's OK to call them criminal immigrants but not illegal immigrants? Aren't we splitting hairs here?

Also, we wouldn't want to be insulting to the criminals (you said that word was OK), now would we? This is political correctness run amok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.

I am aware of all that. I still believe its unnecessarily derogatory. Undocumented means literally the same thing. I don't know why it bothers the other side so much that a slightly more humanizing term is used. I would not object to you calling them criminals.

DP. So it's OK to call them criminal immigrants but not illegal immigrants? Aren't we splitting hairs here?

Also, we wouldn't want to be insulting to the criminals (you said that word was OK), now would we? This is political correctness run amok.

Ok for me. Why is it so important to you that I use the term that you use?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

They cant afford? Didnt they come here to make money? Of course they can afford it! They just choose not to because they are really ECONOMIC MIGRANTS not damsels in distress with no choices like YOU are making them out to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

They cant afford? Didnt they come here to make money? Of course they can afford it! They just choose not to because they are really ECONOMIC MIGRANTS not damsels in distress with no choices like YOU are making them out to be.

Frequently they come here to survive. You are clouded by your family's personal history so you can't see that not everything is as cut and dry as you think. Sure some of them are economic migrants, but you cannot paint this entire population with one brush.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

They cant afford? Didnt they come here to make money? Of course they can afford it! They just choose not to because they are really ECONOMIC MIGRANTS not damsels in distress with no choices like YOU are making them out to be.

Frequently they come here to survive. You are clouded by your family's personal history so you can't see that not everything is as cut and dry as you think. Sure some of them are economic migrants, but you cannot paint this entire population with one brush.

Um no. All of them are economic migrants. Are you hispanic? You should know this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

They cant afford? Didnt they come here to make money? Of course they can afford it! They just choose not to because they are really ECONOMIC MIGRANTS not damsels in distress with no choices like YOU are making them out to be.

Frequently they come here to survive. You are clouded by your family's personal history so you can't see that not everything is as cut and dry as you think. Sure some of them are economic migrants, but you cannot paint this entire population with one brush.

Um no. All of them are economic migrants. Are you hispanic? You should know this.

I am not hispanic but I work in immigration. This is just patently false. You think all the unaccompanied minors are economic migrants? Yes certainly when they get here people look for work which is usually transient in nature or under the table due to their lack of status but the motivations for coming to the united states are not all financial.

Just because you are hispanic does not mean you speak for all undocumented immigrants. How unbelievably arrogant to think that you do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

If they are so terrified they need to move back where they came from or a neighboring country that will accept them. Many have kids here just to stay here. I am hispanic and when the going got tough here my parents moved back home despite me being a us citizen and parents legal residents at the time now theyre citizens.

That's great for you. Frequently they cannot afford to move back. Or when choosing between living in fear in the shadows here versus living in fear of being killed by a gang there, they prefer the bureaucratic villain over the gangster.

They cant afford? Didnt they come here to make money? Of course they can afford it! They just choose not to because they are really ECONOMIC MIGRANTS not damsels in distress with no choices like YOU are making them out to be.

Frequently they come here to survive. You are clouded by your family's personal history so you can't see that not everything is as cut and dry as you think. Sure some of them are economic migrants, but you cannot paint this entire population with one brush.

Um no. All of them are economic migrants. Are you hispanic? You should know this.

I am not hispanic but I work in immigration. This is just patently false. You think all the unaccompanied minors are economic migrants? Yes certainly when they get here people look for work which is usually transient in nature or under the table due to their lack of status but the motivations for coming to the united states are not all financial.

Just because you are hispanic does not mean you speak for all undocumented immigrants. How unbelievably arrogant to think that you do.

The unaccompanied minors who cant work are the kids of illegal economic migrants from central america. Family had been in dc since nixon days and i did not say i speak for all but i know many and know the circumstances and know the changes that went on and how different the migrants from years ago were compared to today. Instead of breastfeeding central america like mexico refuses to do there should be tougher border control and obviously these central american countries are doing nothing or even care to stop their citizens from migrating north.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.

I am aware of all that. I still believe its unnecessarily derogatory. Undocumented means literally the same thing. I don't know why it bothers the other side so much that a slightly more humanizing term is used. I would not object to you calling them criminals.

Words have meaning: "illegal alien" is descriptive. If you or anyone else takes offense to words that are merely descriptive, then you are suffering from irrational political correctness. Undocumented is not literally the same thing. You can be an undocumented person in the US but be a natural born citizen.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.

I am aware of all that. I still believe its unnecessarily derogatory. Undocumented means literally the same thing. I don't know why it bothers the other side so much that a slightly more humanizing term is used. I would not object to you calling them criminals.

Words have meaning: "illegal alien" is descriptive. If you or anyone else takes offense to words that are merely descriptive, then you are suffering from irrational political correctness. Undocumented is not literally the same thing. You can be an undocumented person in the US but be a natural born citizen.

Oh really? How? The only circumstance I can think of is persons born in the US outside of a hospital or any medical care. Extraordinarily small number of people. Undocumented immigrant is pretty descriptive and eliminates that tiny population I just allowed for.