How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

Why does everything about race? Typical liberal response. It sure gets old!

And so does your response - "typical liberal this" and "typical liberal that".

I was also sponsored when my ancestors came here - by a slave master! Get over yourself!

Good for you. The overwhelming majority of people were not. Get over yourself.

To the person saying she is descended from slaves, I'm just curious.....how does the lineage go? Is it like your great-great-great grandmother?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?

My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?

1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.

Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.

I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.

OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.

Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.

They never qualify while they are undocumented PP. And the only way to become documented legally would be to leave the country and re-enter legally and since they have accumulated unlawful presence they would have to wait in their home country for like 10 years before they could re-enter legally. So to answer the precise question you have asked. If an undocumented immigrant currently living in this country would like to legally acquire access to US welfare programs they would have at least a 15 year wait in front of them.

There is no timeframe that they could do to gain access to welfare programs legally. If you are here and unlawfully present you have no path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clinton's plan is to bankrupt the nation thru immigration and put us into global trade agreements to "save us".

You clearly don't keep up with global policy and business. The US has positive GDP growth, unlike the rest of the developed world which is negative growth. One reason is that we actually have immigrants. Those countries who do not have high immigration numbers are suffering the most.

There are millions of jobs in the US that cannot be filled. Hillary is not the one you should be mad at. Are you questioning your local states and leaders regarding your educational systems who are not preparing kids for current jobs? For the most part, education is a state and local issue.

In Texas, they are so busy changing history and making their kids dumber and no one complains. They just want Jesus in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

Why does everything about race? Typical liberal response. It sure gets old!

And so does your response - "typical liberal this" and "typical liberal that".

I was also sponsored when my ancestors came here - by a slave master! Get over yourself!

Good for you. The overwhelming majority of people were not. Get over yourself.

I'm sure I was here first so get out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?

My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?

1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.

Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.

I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.

OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.

Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.

They never qualify while they are undocumented PP. And the only way to become documented legally would be to leave the country and re-enter legally and since they have accumulated unlawful presence they would have to wait in their home country for like 10 years before they could re-enter legally. So to answer the precise question you have asked. If an undocumented immigrant currently living in this country would like to legally acquire access to US welfare programs they would have at least a 15 year wait in front of them.

There is no timeframe that they could do to gain access to welfare programs legally. If you are here and unlawfully present you have no path.

Op here. Thank you. NOW we are getting somewhere.

But what you've explained is how the system works currently. Hillary is twlking about creating a path to citizenship so the illegals do not have to leave and come back, as you've described. It sounds as if once they are citizens - without leaving, if Hillary's wish passes - they would eligible for full welfare and other benefits in five years. My opinion is that is too soon, given that it is the same timeframe as availablr to people who entered the country the lawful way. In other words, the lawbreakers get the same advantages as those who patiently waited their turn with respect to our laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?

My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?

1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.

Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.

I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.

OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.

Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.

They never qualify while they are undocumented PP. And the only way to become documented legally would be to leave the country and re-enter legally and since they have accumulated unlawful presence they would have to wait in their home country for like 10 years before they could re-enter legally. So to answer the precise question you have asked. If an undocumented immigrant currently living in this country would like to legally acquire access to US welfare programs they would have at least a 15 year wait in front of them.

There is no timeframe that they could do to gain access to welfare programs legally. If you are here and unlawfully present you have no path.

Op here. Thank you. NOW we are getting somewhere.

But what you've explained is how the system works currently. Hillary is twlking about creating a path to citizenship so the illegals do not have to leave and come back, as you've described. It sounds as if once they are citizens - without leaving, if Hillary's wish passes - they would eligible for full welfare and other benefits in five years. My opinion is that is too soon, given that it is the same timeframe as availablr to people who entered the country the lawful way. In other words, the lawbreakers get the same advantages as those who patiently waited their turn with respect to our laws.

Hillary can't do that unless congress passes immigration reform. Ask Obama, who has done more than any President since Reagan to try to help poor immigrant populations, how much can be done via Executive Action. The answer is not much.

Any and all proposed immigration reform including a path for illegal immigrants that has been proposed in recent years puts them at the back of the line with time and financial penalties.

It would be political suicide to do what you are describing, so don't worry, democrats sense of self preservation will protect you from this future. A president COULD grant amnesty broadly but Hillary most certainly wants to be relelected so will not do it in her first term. I don't think she'll do it at all. GWB almost did it though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?

My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?

1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.

Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.

I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.

OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.

Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.

They never qualify while they are undocumented PP. And the only way to become documented legally would be to leave the country and re-enter legally and since they have accumulated unlawful presence they would have to wait in their home country for like 10 years before they could re-enter legally. So to answer the precise question you have asked. If an undocumented immigrant currently living in this country would like to legally acquire access to US welfare programs they would have at least a 15 year wait in front of them.

There is no timeframe that they could do to gain access to welfare programs legally. If you are here and unlawfully present you have no path.

Op here. Thank you. NOW we are getting somewhere.

But what you've explained is how the system works currently. Hillary is twlking about creating a path to citizenship so the illegals do not have to leave and come back, as you've described. It sounds as if once they are citizens - without leaving, if Hillary's wish passes - they would eligible for full welfare and other benefits in five years. My opinion is that is too soon, given that it is the same timeframe as availablr to people who entered the country the lawful way. In other words, the lawbreakers get the same advantages as those who patiently waited their turn with respect to our laws.

Hillary can't do that unless congress passes immigration reform. Ask Obama, who has done more than any President since Reagan to try to help poor immigrant populations, how much can be done via Executive Action. The answer is not much.

Any and all proposed immigration reform including a path for illegal immigrants that has been proposed in recent years puts them at the back of the line with time and financial penalties.

It would be political suicide to do what you are describing, so don't worry, democrats sense of self preservation will protect you from this future. A president COULD grant amnesty broadly but Hillary most certainly wants to be relelected so will not do it in her first term. I don't think she'll do it at all. GWB almost did it though.

I hope you're right. Obama was stopped with his illegal executive action because of the makeup of the SCOTUS, which will become more activist under Hillary. And if the Democrats win both houses of Congress, it's Katy bar the door! If that happens, though, there WILL be a big schelaking (sp?...Obama's term) either at the mid-terms or her re-election bid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?

My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?

1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.

Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.

I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.

OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.

Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.

They never qualify while they are undocumented PP. And the only way to become documented legally would be to leave the country and re-enter legally and since they have accumulated unlawful presence they would have to wait in their home country for like 10 years before they could re-enter legally. So to answer the precise question you have asked. If an undocumented immigrant currently living in this country would like to legally acquire access to US welfare programs they would have at least a 15 year wait in front of them.

There is no timeframe that they could do to gain access to welfare programs legally. If you are here and unlawfully present you have no path.

Op here. Thank you. NOW we are getting somewhere.

But what you've explained is how the system works currently. Hillary is twlking about creating a path to citizenship so the illegals do not have to leave and come back, as you've described. It sounds as if once they are citizens - without leaving, if Hillary's wish passes - they would eligible for full welfare and other benefits in five years. My opinion is that is too soon, given that it is the same timeframe as availablr to people who entered the country the lawful way. In other words, the lawbreakers get the same advantages as those who patiently waited their turn with respect to our laws.

Hillary can't do that unless congress passes immigration reform. Ask Obama, who has done more than any President since Reagan to try to help poor immigrant populations, how much can be done via Executive Action. The answer is not much.

Any and all proposed immigration reform including a path for illegal immigrants that has been proposed in recent years puts them at the back of the line with time and financial penalties.

It would be political suicide to do what you are describing, so don't worry, democrats sense of self preservation will protect you from this future. A president COULD grant amnesty broadly but Hillary most certainly wants to be relelected so will not do it in her first term. I don't think she'll do it at all. GWB almost did it though.

I hope you're right. Obama was stopped with his illegal executive action because of the makeup of the SCOTUS, which will become more activist under Hillary. And if the Democrats win both houses of Congress, it's Katy bar the door! If that happens, though, there WILL be a big schelaking (sp?...Obama's term) either at the mid-terms or her re-election bid.

In my personal opinion (I am the PP of the last two posts in this chain that you responded to), as a bleeding heart liberal who works with immigrants as a part of my job, I do not think that this specific fear you have is likely to come to fruition. This specific fear of immigrants who were undocumented becoming magically documented and getting access to welfare programs in 5 years.

If the house flips there will be absolutely no chance they enact broad amnesty, they would have a more bipartisan approach which, while possibly including a path would most certainly not put them immediately behind legal immigrants, they would almost certainly get something like the DACA program (no longer accumulating unlawful presence and able to work and pay taxes). HRC is a moderate democrat, she will not want to grant blanket amnesty and will therefore attempt to go about it legislatively instead.

Additionally, if the House and Senate flips than everyone would likely know that it would be a one term thing. Democrats would have to pick one big thing they wanted to get done. Personally I think Hillary would prioritize family and women's issues (like childcare and mandatory paid family leave) because that is what she will want to leave as her legacy. You have to remember that while Trump has made immigrants the cornerstone of HIS campaign, she has not made it the cornerstone of hers. His #1 priority would be keeping them out, but honestly I don't think she cares that much about immigration. She has much higher priority items on her list. Obama would have done immigration next, but not HRC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

[Anonymous]

They get welfare immediately. The Arabic migrant men then get some under the table middle class job but scam all the perks, Section 8 voucher, etc. while their wife pops out 8 kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

Why does everything about race? Typical liberal response. It sure gets old!

And so does your response - "typical liberal this" and "typical liberal that".

I was also sponsored when my ancestors came here - by a slave master! Get over yourself!

Oh please. Im a non white but its annoying how entitled american blacks are today. I respect your black ancestors for going through what they did but you didnt go thru it. For all you know you couldve been white in a previous life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESrd3mMop0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much ignorance.

1. Undocumented immigrants do not have access to welfare and food stamps. Never have, never will.

2. Legal immigrants have to be here for 5 years to qualify.

3. Undocumented immigrants almost all pay payroll taxes. Thus they pay to fund benefits for US citizens.

4. Almost every economist who has looked at this has concluded that immigrants are a net plus to the US economy and the treasury.

5. Since 2009, the number of undocumented immigrants from Mexico has decreased.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

+1

- works in immigration

I'll also add a side note that even in liberal proposals 'amnesty' does not mean that everyone here illegally magically becomes a citizen. It means they get a path which would, at MINIMUM, be as long as the old path. It currently takes about 10 years start to finish to become a citizen. They would have to pay all the fees and go through all the rigamarole and likely pay a steep penalty. They will not bankrupt social security (and this scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen anyway in the political climate, no matter how much she might want to Hillary can't pass immigration reform through sheer force of will).

So illegal immigrants do not have a baby within a few years that automatically becomes a us citizen and wont receive welfare for that baby? I read how an hondran mom who had zika had a baby here and came here just for that and will accrue 1 mil in welfare. Also maybe not mexican immigrants from mexico but def central amerivan immigrants from mexico because mexico does not want them and passes them over to the US

If an undocumented immigrant had a baby the baby WOULD be a us citizen. And the baby would qualify for aid. However, in order to APPLY for that aid the parent would have to come out of the woodwork which they are very unlikely to do as that could very easily result in them being separated from their child. Undocumented immigrants spend their lives terrified of being caught, they are not going to go out of their way to create a paper trail towards themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is once again showing that liberals cannot distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. The OP was clearly talking about the people who broke the law to sneak in, and was questioning how long it would be before they got all the various entitlements. Somehow, the thread has derailed to start talking about legal immigrants.

ILLEGALS are entitled to absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. If Hillary wants to make them citizens (for the votes), they should be thankful for the amnesty. They certainly shouldn't start demanding all sorts of subsidies on top of that. Again, ILLEGALS!

The get it, trust me. That's why they use the word 'undocumented' - it sounds so much 'prettier'.

I use the word undocumented because they are human beings, regardless of what they have done. I do not call a murderer an 'illegal person.'

They have committed a crime, they are not, in and of themselves illegal, as that would imply that their very existence on this planet is wrong.

You call a murderer a criminal. "Illegal" is short for "Illegal Alien", not "Illegal Person". This is in contrast to "Legal Alien", which is an abbreviated description for a foreign national who lawfully entered into the United States and who has a current lawful status to remain. It doesn't really matter what you think a word means, it matters what the word actually means in the context of its usage.