Are all the good men really taken by early thirties?

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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.
Odd? Or maybe just maybe, some people don’t want to get married. It’s unbelievable that people hold marriage on a pedestal. Everybody I know that’s been married or is married says they would never do this marriage thing again but everybody rushes out to do it. Studies have shown that married women are leading the unhappinest human categories.


What in the actual eff are you trying to convince people of? Every single person you know hates their marriage? That is what you have convinced yourself of because no one ever picked you?

I really do hope you not only belive this but also that you share it publically. It makes Id'ing the lunatics so much easier.

- 52 yo man still madly in love with his awesome wife after 33 years. Also the son to two wonderful people still madly in love after 56 years.


The percentage of happy marriages is very low though


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Define happy.

"Happiness" is overrated. I sometimes envy my single mom by choice friend. She is " happier" in the sense that her space is exactly as she wants it, and she does not feel sad over unmet expectations from a partner since she does not have one.

I have to compromise a lot with my DH. I'd like the house to be different. I'd like much much more romance and communication. But while certain aspects of my life are more unhappy than hers, my kids are definitely getting double the love, emotional and financial security that her kids are getting. I'd trade much more "happiness" for that.

If you were happy, you wouldn't be peeping this hard over your "friend's" shoulder and comparing your lives.


Touche. Like I said, happiness is overrated.


Peace of mind exists and not overrated. I know I wouldn't survive if I remained married to my exH.

Wanting kids, marriage as a self serving goal is a very wrong motivation for pegging yourself to someone. Women are under so much pressure that they don't make good and rational decisions in their 20s and 30s about marriage: is that man really a good human being, is he a good provider, partner? Many women just get married no matter what in a hope that he will "grow"


You make some good points. In your opinion, is there ever a good reason for marriage?


At present times, marriage is a necessity for women who can't afford having baby on their own. But as women get more and exceedingly economical successful than men (and I do think it's inevitable), we will see the rates of marriage dropping even further. We already see in Scandinavia where women own as much assets as men, and earn as much as men + are getting government maternity payments. Women choose not to marry in these countries, and just cohabit with male partners.

Humans in general are not well suited for monogamy, neither men nor women. And the dating market is set up in a way that men only wanting beautiful, much younger women. Would a much younger woman with great career prospects and earning capacity potential want to marry an older man who may require care in his old age? This is a loss proposition to her as a "shareholder". So if she cannot find equally earning and educated men her age she's better off staying single and having baby on her own.

This was the case in post war countries: deficit of men with certain marriageable qualities results in women having babies on their own. No risk of custody disputes that force kids split childhood between 2 households and argue with a deadbeat dad over your child's schooling, travel, etc.


The bolded is not the same as being a single mom by choice. These women are cohabiting with their children's fathers and raising those children together. So even though these women have the resources to raise children by themselves, they'd rather do it with a partner.
These women probably do not consider this men marriage worthy, but they consider them worthy of sharing the responsibilities of raising children. So your argument against marriage in their case is not necessarily a strong argument for single parenthood.



They don't necessarily live with the same men who fathered their children. A woman may have several partners over the course of her active sex life and may or may not have kids with these partners


Yep, and it's possible men don't suck as much in those countries since they don't have the cultural power to impose legal servitude in marriage. The women get maternity payments anyway and aren't financially tied to the father in the same way. Knowing that you can be replaced or kicked out at any time keeps you on your toes.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.
Odd? Or maybe just maybe, some people don’t want to get married. It’s unbelievable that people hold marriage on a pedestal. Everybody I know that’s been married or is married says they would never do this marriage thing again but everybody rushes out to do it. Studies have shown that married women are leading the unhappinest human categories.


What in the actual eff are you trying to convince people of? Every single person you know hates their marriage? That is what you have convinced yourself of because no one ever picked you?

I really do hope you not only belive this but also that you share it publically. It makes Id'ing the lunatics so much easier.

- 52 yo man still madly in love with his awesome wife after 33 years. Also the son to two wonderful people still madly in love after 56 years.


The percentage of happy marriages is very low though


DP.
Define happy.

"Happiness" is overrated. I sometimes envy my single mom by choice friend. She is " happier" in the sense that her space is exactly as she wants it, and she does not feel sad over unmet expectations from a partner since she does not have one.

I have to compromise a lot with my DH. I'd like the house to be different. I'd like much much more romance and communication. But while certain aspects of my life are more unhappy than hers, my kids are definitely getting double the love, emotional and financial security that her kids are getting. I'd trade much more "happiness" for that.

If you were happy, you wouldn't be peeping this hard over your "friend's" shoulder and comparing your lives.


Touche. Like I said, happiness is overrated.


Peace of mind exists and not overrated. I know I wouldn't survive if I remained married to my exH.

Wanting kids, marriage as a self serving goal is a very wrong motivation for pegging yourself to someone. Women are under so much pressure that they don't make good and rational decisions in their 20s and 30s about marriage: is that man really a good human being, is he a good provider, partner? Many women just get married no matter what in a hope that he will "grow"


You make some good points. In your opinion, is there ever a good reason for marriage?


At present times, marriage is a necessity for women who can't afford having baby on their own. But as women get more and exceedingly economical successful than men (and I do think it's inevitable), we will see the rates of marriage dropping even further. We already see in Scandinavia where women own as much assets as men, and earn as much as men + are getting government maternity payments. Women choose not to marry in these countries, and just cohabit with male partners.

Humans in general are not well suited for monogamy, neither men nor women. And the dating market is set up in a way that men only wanting beautiful, much younger women. Would a much younger woman with great career prospects and earning capacity potential want to marry an older man who may require care in his old age? This is a loss proposition to her as a "shareholder". So if she cannot find equally earning and educated men her age she's better off staying single and having baby on her own.

This was the case in post war countries: deficit of men with certain marriageable qualities results in women having babies on their own. No risk of custody disputes that force kids split childhood between 2 households and argue with a deadbeat dad over your child's schooling, travel, etc.


The bolded is not the same as being a single mom by choice. These women are cohabiting with their children's fathers and raising those children together. So even though these women have the resources to raise children by themselves, they'd rather do it with a partner.
These women probably do not consider this men marriage worthy, but they consider them worthy of sharing the responsibilities of raising children. So your argument against marriage in their case is not necessarily a strong argument for single parenthood.



They don't necessarily live with the same men who fathered their children. A woman may have several partners over the course of her active sex life and may or may not have kids with these partners


Yep, and it's possible men don't suck as much in those countries since they don't have the cultural power to impose legal servitude in marriage. The women get maternity payments anyway and aren't financially tied to the father in the same way. Knowing that you can be replaced or kicked out at any time keeps you on your toes.


Men in these countries take more parental leave than in US for sure. It's the whole social sustainability idea that lays behind their genders equality policy. As much as I dislike Musk, the idea of government payments to families is how such sustainability should be achieved in wealthy country like the US
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How would you know. you may see her no one or a few good men, but unless you are beating off swarms of them in every city stated rule ZIP Code I don’t think you are reliable source.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.
Odd? Or maybe just maybe, some people don’t want to get married. It’s unbelievable that people hold marriage on a pedestal. Everybody I know that’s been married or is married says they would never do this marriage thing again but everybody rushes out to do it. Studies have shown that married women are leading the unhappinest human categories.


What in the actual eff are you trying to convince people of? Every single person you know hates their marriage? That is what you have convinced yourself of because no one ever picked you?

I really do hope you not only belive this but also that you share it publically. It makes Id'ing the lunatics so much easier.

- 52 yo man still madly in love with his awesome wife after 33 years. Also the son to two wonderful people still madly in love after 56 years.


The percentage of happy marriages is very low though


DP.
Define happy.

"Happiness" is overrated. I sometimes envy my single mom by choice friend. She is " happier" in the sense that her space is exactly as she wants it, and she does not feel sad over unmet expectations from a partner since she does not have one.

I have to compromise a lot with my DH. I'd like the house to be different. I'd like much much more romance and communication. But while certain aspects of my life are more unhappy than hers, my kids are definitely getting double the love, emotional and financial security that her kids are getting. I'd trade much more "happiness" for that.

If you were happy, you wouldn't be peeping this hard over your "friend's" shoulder and comparing your lives.


Touche. Like I said, happiness is overrated.


Peace of mind exists and not overrated. I know I wouldn't survive if I remained married to my exH.

Wanting kids, marriage as a self serving goal is a very wrong motivation for pegging yourself to someone. Women are under so much pressure that they don't make good and rational decisions in their 20s and 30s about marriage: is that man really a good human being, is he a good provider, partner? Many women just get married no matter what in a hope that he will "grow"


For my marriage there is more peace of mind than there is happiness.

I cannot call my marriage happy because the romance sucks ( understatement of the century!). I have tried and tried to make DH get it, but he does not (or maybe he does and does not feel the love back , who knows?) So I have accepted that it is what it is in that aspect. It makes me sad when I think about it.

However, I love DH now even more than I did when I agreed to marry him because he is every bit of the father I imagined he will be and more, and I respect him for that. Additionally, he is kind and respectful.

I have peace of mind in knowing that he shares the love and obligation I have towards my children, and that my children love him as much as they love me. I have peace of mind in knowing that there is someone who has a very similar role in my kid's lives like the one I have and he is someone who takes that role seriously.

So in that sense, in my case, peace of mind and happiness might intersect, but they are not exactly the same. I am very happy in certain aspects and sad in others. But overall, if I had to do it again, I will still choose to have kids with DH. Perhaps we'd cohabit instead of grtting married like the PP suggested, and he won't take me for granted ( or perhaps he would have left if we were not married, I have no idea).
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Based on my experience, I’d say most of the people who are looking to settle down and get married are married by 34.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.
Odd? Or maybe just maybe, some people don’t want to get married. It’s unbelievable that people hold marriage on a pedestal. Everybody I know that’s been married or is married says they would never do this marriage thing again but everybody rushes out to do it. Studies have shown that married women are leading the unhappinest human categories.


What in the actual eff are you trying to convince people of? Every single person you know hates their marriage? That is what you have convinced yourself of because no one ever picked you?

I really do hope you not only belive this but also that you share it publically. It makes Id'ing the lunatics so much easier.

- 52 yo man still madly in love with his awesome wife after 33 years. Also the son to two wonderful people still madly in love after 56 years.


The percentage of happy marriages is very low though


DP.
Define happy.

"Happiness" is overrated. I sometimes envy my single mom by choice friend. She is " happier" in the sense that her space is exactly as she wants it, and she does not feel sad over unmet expectations from a partner since she does not have one.

I have to compromise a lot with my DH. I'd like the house to be different. I'd like much much more romance and communication. But while certain aspects of my life are more unhappy than hers, my kids are definitely getting double the love, emotional and financial security that her kids are getting. I'd trade much more "happiness" for that.

If you were happy, you wouldn't be peeping this hard over your "friend's" shoulder and comparing your lives.


Touche. Like I said, happiness is overrated.


Peace of mind exists and not overrated. I know I wouldn't survive if I remained married to my exH.

Wanting kids, marriage as a self serving goal is a very wrong motivation for pegging yourself to someone. Women are under so much pressure that they don't make good and rational decisions in their 20s and 30s about marriage: is that man really a good human being, is he a good provider, partner? Many women just get married no matter what in a hope that he will "grow"


You make some good points. In your opinion, is there ever a good reason for marriage?


At present times, marriage is a necessity for women who can't afford having baby on their own. But as women get more and exceedingly economical successful than men (and I do think it's inevitable), we will see the rates of marriage dropping even further. We already see in Scandinavia where women own as much assets as men, and earn as much as men + are getting government maternity payments. Women choose not to marry in these countries, and just cohabit with male partners.

Humans in general are not well suited for monogamy, neither men nor women. And the dating market is set up in a way that men only wanting beautiful, much younger women. Would a much younger woman with great career prospects and earning capacity potential want to marry an older man who may require care in his old age? This is a loss proposition to her as a "shareholder". So if she cannot find equally earning and educated men her age she's better off staying single and having baby on her own.

This was the case in post war countries: deficit of men with certain marriageable qualities results in women having babies on their own. No risk of custody disputes that force kids split childhood between 2 households and argue with a deadbeat dad over your child's schooling, travel, etc.


The bolded is not the same as being a single mom by choice. These women are cohabiting with their children's fathers and raising those children together. So even though these women have the resources to raise children by themselves, they'd rather do it with a partner.
These women probably do not consider this men marriage worthy, but they consider them worthy of sharing the responsibilities of raising children. So your argument against marriage in their case is not necessarily a strong argument for single parenthood.



They don't necessarily live with the same men who fathered their children. A woman may have several partners over the course of her active sex life and may or may not have kids with these partners


These women are still choosing to have children with boyfriends/partners instead of donors. And they are choosing to try to make the informal partnerships work before moving on to other boufriends/partners when unsuccessful. These are not single moms by choice.

However, I agree that these women have more power in their societies than women here do, so perhaps they have more viable options outside of marriage than being a single mom by choice.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.
Odd? Or maybe just maybe, some people don’t want to get married. It’s unbelievable that people hold marriage on a pedestal. Everybody I know that’s been married or is married says they would never do this marriage thing again but everybody rushes out to do it. Studies have shown that married women are leading the unhappinest human categories.


What in the actual eff are you trying to convince people of? Every single person you know hates their marriage? That is what you have convinced yourself of because no one ever picked you?

I really do hope you not only belive this but also that you share it publically. It makes Id'ing the lunatics so much easier.

- 52 yo man still madly in love with his awesome wife after 33 years. Also the son to two wonderful people still madly in love after 56 years.


The percentage of happy marriages is very low though


DP.
Define happy.

"Happiness" is overrated. I sometimes envy my single mom by choice friend. She is " happier" in the sense that her space is exactly as she wants it, and she does not feel sad over unmet expectations from a partner since she does not have one.

I have to compromise a lot with my DH. I'd like the house to be different. I'd like much much more romance and communication. But while certain aspects of my life are more unhappy than hers, my kids are definitely getting double the love, emotional and financial security that her kids are getting. I'd trade much more "happiness" for that.

If you were happy, you wouldn't be peeping this hard over your "friend's" shoulder and comparing your lives.


Touche. Like I said, happiness is overrated.


Peace of mind exists and not overrated. I know I wouldn't survive if I remained married to my exH.

Wanting kids, marriage as a self serving goal is a very wrong motivation for pegging yourself to someone. Women are under so much pressure that they don't make good and rational decisions in their 20s and 30s about marriage: is that man really a good human being, is he a good provider, partner? Many women just get married no matter what in a hope that he will "grow"


You make some good points. In your opinion, is there ever a good reason for marriage?


At present times, marriage is a necessity for women who can't afford having baby on their own. But as women get more and exceedingly economical successful than men (and I do think it's inevitable), we will see the rates of marriage dropping even further. We already see in Scandinavia where women own as much assets as men, and earn as much as men + are getting government maternity payments. Women choose not to marry in these countries, and just cohabit with male partners.

Humans in general are not well suited for monogamy, neither men nor women. And the dating market is set up in a way that men only wanting beautiful, much younger women. Would a much younger woman with great career prospects and earning capacity potential want to marry an older man who may require care in his old age? This is a loss proposition to her as a "shareholder". So if she cannot find equally earning and educated men her age she's better off staying single and having baby on her own.

This was the case in post war countries: deficit of men with certain marriageable qualities results in women having babies on their own. No risk of custody disputes that force kids split childhood between 2 households and argue with a deadbeat dad over your child's schooling, travel, etc.


The bolded is not the same as being a single mom by choice. These women are cohabiting with their children's fathers and raising those children together. So even though these women have the resources to raise children by themselves, they'd rather do it with a partner.
These women probably do not consider this men marriage worthy, but they consider them worthy of sharing the responsibilities of raising children. So your argument against marriage in their case is not necessarily a strong argument for single parenthood.



They don't necessarily live with the same men who fathered their children. A woman may have several partners over the course of her active sex life and may or may not have kids with these partners


Yep, and it's possible men don't suck as much in those countries since they don't have the cultural power to impose legal servitude in marriage. The women get maternity payments anyway and aren't financially tied to the father in the same way. Knowing that you can be replaced or kicked out at any time keeps you on your toes.


I had thought this had been studied and had to do with the tax structure in these countries? Essentially married couple suffer a tax penalty so couples are more likely to remain unmarried.
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Anonymous wrote:As an attractive, 39 yo F who got divorced at 33, yes.

The good partners that want to be married are absolutely taken. I wouldn't marry my boyfriend but I love being in a relationship with him.

I have no interest in getting married again, but if I did, I joke that being widowed is a requirement.


Out of curiosity, why do you not want to marry him? (I don’t want to marry mine either, maybe for different reasons)….
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Anonymous wrote:I met my STBX while in med school at age 28. The quality of men was already going down. We didn’t marry for a while and I had thoughts in my early 30s about going down a different path, but he was honestly the best of some really bad options.

In hindsight, I would tell myself and anyone I know that if you are on the market at 29/30 and want kids, it’s better to double down on your career and by a single mom by choice.

The truly good guys had things wrapped up and were tied down by 25/26.

I met my STBX at age 26 shortly after graduating law school and while working at a big law firm. I completely agree with you. Marrying was a huge mistake. I had so much going for me that this horrible man systematically pried from my fingers by simply refusing to do his share with the children and letting me get burnt out. I hope he burns in hell, but I advise any woman who has achieved a nice career for herself to understand that she is in the promised land.

For millennia, women married because that was the way to feed themselves and because they were traded like property. Now, we don't have to deal with men in order to survive and thrive anymore. Resist the propaganda about two-parent families. Most married families still have just one parent: the mom and the father is an appendage at best.

If you're able to achieve and feed yourself well, don't add some man to the mix.


+1. It was also the biggest mistake of my life. I would have been far better off never marrying.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.


As a divorced man who is 46 and has 2 kids, I will not recommend a divorced man like me. Not only we are at the age where we have to worry about elderly parents, we have to worry about college, child support, and our career which is at the peak point. It's very unlikely that we want to remarry and raise kids again. And as a single woman who still has so much of her time and love to offer to someone, I don't think a divorced man juggling several responsibilities is the best you can do.

Women who have never had kids are better off with single men in similar situations.

I often see never married women with no kids getting married to divorce men and I just don't get it. I guess these men are extremely rich and can afford to start over and hire 2 nannies, outsource everything, can already retire right now and have enough for the next 100 years, I don't know it's strange


Women are beauty objects, men are success objects.


Duh of course. Look how y'all are tripping over each other to get the weight loss shots, "botoxify" your foreheads, and touches here and there.

We men didn't ask you to do that. From your early 20s you use your "beauty card" to get away with everything. And once you can't use that card anymore, you start railing against men
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.


As a divorced man who is 46 and has 2 kids, I will not recommend a divorced man like me. Not only we are at the age where we have to worry about elderly parents, we have to worry about college, child support, and our career which is at the peak point. It's very unlikely that we want to remarry and raise kids again. And as a single woman who still has so much of her time and love to offer to someone, I don't think a divorced man juggling several responsibilities is the best you can do.

Women who have never had kids are better off with single men in similar situations.

I often see never married women with no kids getting married to divorce men and I just don't get it. I guess these men are extremely rich and can afford to start over and hire 2 nannies, outsource everything, can already retire right now and have enough for the next 100 years, I don't know it's strange


Women are beauty objects, men are success objects.


Duh of course. Look how y'all are tripping over each other to get the weight loss shots, "botoxify" your foreheads, and touches here and there.

We men didn't ask you to do that. From your early 20s you use your "beauty card" to get away with everything. And once you can't use that card anymore, you start railing against men

DP. Bless you for speaking up. Hopefully, an unmarried woman will read what you wrote and decide to focus on her career instead of letting a creature like you get legal hooks into her.
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Anonymous wrote:I think 35 is a big turning point. Guys who remain single longer than that tend to be odd. You’re better off finding someone who’s been divorced once they’re past that point.


As a divorced man who is 46 and has 2 kids, I will not recommend a divorced man like me. Not only we are at the age where we have to worry about elderly parents, we have to worry about college, child support, and our career which is at the peak point. It's very unlikely that we want to remarry and raise kids again. And as a single woman who still has so much of her time and love to offer to someone, I don't think a divorced man juggling several responsibilities is the best you can do.

Women who have never had kids are better off with single men in similar situations.

I often see never married women with no kids getting married to divorce men and I just don't get it. I guess these men are extremely rich and can afford to start over and hire 2 nannies, outsource everything, can already retire right now and have enough for the next 100 years, I don't know it's strange


Women are beauty objects, men are success objects.


Duh of course. Look how y'all are tripping over each other to get the weight loss shots, "botoxify" your foreheads, and touches here and there.

We men didn't ask you to do that. From your early 20s you use your "beauty card" to get away with everything. And once you can't use that card anymore, you start railing against men

DP. Bless you for speaking up. Hopefully, an unmarried woman will read what you wrote and decide to focus on her career instead of letting a creature like you get legal hooks into her.


Women have a choice. They don't need to put their beauty front and center. This way they will be less stressed because they won't have to waste their time endlessly Criticizing men.

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Anonymous wrote:Women are beauty objects, men are success objects.


Duh of course. Look how y'all are tripping over each other to get the weight loss shots, "botoxify" your foreheads, and touches here and there.

We men didn't ask you to do that. From your early 20s you use your "beauty card" to get away with everything. And once you can't use that card anymore, you start railing against men

DP. Bless you for speaking up. Hopefully, an unmarried woman will read what you wrote and decide to focus on her career instead of letting a creature like you get legal hooks into her.


I don't know. My younger brother is a movie producer, and there is a long line of women who want to get legal hooks into him.
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Anonymous wrote:As an attractive, 39 yo F who got divorced at 33, yes.

The good partners that want to be married are absolutely taken. I wouldn't marry my boyfriend but I love being in a relationship with him.

I have no interest in getting married again, but if I did, I joke that being widowed is a requirement.


Out of curiosity, why do you not want to marry him? (I don’t want to marry mine either, maybe for different reasons)….


I don't want to marry anyone unless they have money bleeding out of their ears.

Realistically, I don't see the point. There is no difference to me between marriage and cohabitating, but I also am very happy living alone and only having to worry about my child. I also have zero desire to be a stepmother.
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Anonymous wrote:Women are beauty objects, men are success objects.


Duh of course. Look how y'all are tripping over each other to get the weight loss shots, "botoxify" your foreheads, and touches here and there.

We men didn't ask you to do that. From your early 20s you use your "beauty card" to get away with everything. And once you can't use that card anymore, you start railing against men

DP. Bless you for speaking up. Hopefully, an unmarried woman will read what you wrote and decide to focus on her career instead of letting a creature like you get legal hooks into her.


I don't know. My younger brother is a movie producer, and there is a long line of women who want to get legal hooks into him.

What should I conclude from that?
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