Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just had a DC metro encounter with an unhinged drunk/mentally ill person and my thoughts immediately went to Penny - as in I could fully understand why someone would have wanted to physically restrain him. This was a BIG man who was pacing and ranting about killing people with his bare hands. I was with my kid and just tried not to move at all. We moved to the next car at the next stop but it felt like a very long time. It was really not fun.

If a guy like that attacks someone, just walk away and let them get killed unless you want to go viral as the new face of white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just had a DC metro encounter with an unhinged drunk/mentally ill person and my thoughts immediately went to Penny - as in I could fully understand why someone would have wanted to physically restrain him. This was a BIG man who was pacing and ranting about killing people with his bare hands. I was with my kid and just tried not to move at all. We moved to the next car at the next stop but it felt like a very long time. It was really not fun.

I would not get involved. Let him kill anyone he wants to kill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just had a DC metro encounter with an unhinged drunk/mentally ill person and my thoughts immediately went to Penny - as in I could fully understand why someone would have wanted to physically restrain him. This was a BIG man who was pacing and ranting about killing people with his bare hands. I was with my kid and just tried not to move at all. We moved to the next car at the next stop but it felt like a very long time. It was really not fun.

I would not get involved. Let him kill anyone he wants to kill.

As long as it's not you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60-year old woman was struck with her own cane 50 times on NY metro this morning and no single person stepped in to help. I guess everyone is still watching what is going to happen to Penny's trial.

Can you blame them?

These two incidents are not at all equivalent. First of all, it started as an altercation and happened at 3 in the morning. Someone videoed it, instead of stepping in, likely because of moral turpitude or fear of being beat up him/herself. I doubt they were thinking, "wow, this is jut like that marine who killed a loud dude. I better not intervene."

Taking video is what I would do. I'm a woman and there's no way I could restrain a violent adult. Getting some video evidence with the perp's face is the only way I could help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60-year old woman was struck with her own cane 50 times on NY metro this morning and no single person stepped in to help. I guess everyone is still watching what is going to happen to Penny's trial.

Can you blame them?

These two incidents are not at all equivalent. First of all, it started as an altercation and happened at 3 in the morning. Someone videoed it, instead of stepping in, likely because of moral turpitude or fear of being beat up him/herself. I doubt they were thinking, "wow, this is jut like that marine who killed a loud dude. I better not intervene."

Taking video is what I would do. I'm a woman and there's no way I could restrain a violent adult. Getting some video evidence with the perp's face is the only way I could help.

Call 911 first.

[Anonymous]

Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60-year old woman was struck with her own cane 50 times on NY metro this morning and no single person stepped in to help. I guess everyone is still watching what is going to happen to Penny's trial.

Can you blame them?

These two incidents are not at all equivalent. First of all, it started as an altercation and happened at 3 in the morning. Someone videoed it, instead of stepping in, likely because of moral turpitude or fear of being beat up him/herself. I doubt they were thinking, "wow, this is jut like that marine who killed a loud dude. I better not intervene."

Taking video is what I would do. I'm a woman and there's no way I could restrain a violent adult. Getting some video evidence with the perp's face is the only way I could help.

Call 911 first.

By the time 911 responds to an attack on a bus or train, you would be already assaulted and/or dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

From that link -

"Neely, who struggled with mental illness, had been arrested more than 40 times, including for numerous violent assaults on strangers in the subway, and was on the city’s "Top 50" list of homeless people most in need of outreach"

Outreach?!?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

From that link -

"Neely, who struggled with mental illness, had been arrested more than 40 times, including for numerous violent assaults on strangers in the subway, and was on the city’s "Top 50" list of homeless people most in need of outreach"

Outreach?!?!

Outreach = services, including mental health services

He certainly needed mental health services but we have no real way of requiring it of those who need it but don't use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

From that link -

"Neely, who struggled with mental illness, had been arrested more than 40 times, including for numerous violent assaults on strangers in the subway, and was on the city’s "Top 50" list of homeless people most in need of outreach"

Outreach?!?!

Outreach = services, including mental health services

He certainly needed mental health services but we have no real way of requiring it of those who need it but don't use it.

We should be able to require mental health services or institutionalize them. Too often, there are truly terrible outcomes when we don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

Hopefully a jury will see this for what it is.... a prosecution as a result of the mob.
And, the efforts of those who are trying to make Neely out to be some kind of hero (Al Sharpton, for one) will fail miserably.
So many witnesses (and some of those were people of color) were scared for their lives.
And, Neely was reportedly on K2 at the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

Hopefully a jury will see this for what it is.... a prosecution as a result of the mob.
And, the efforts of those who are trying to make Neely out to be some kind of hero (Al Sharpton, for one) will fail miserably.
So many witnesses (and some of those were people of color) were scared for their lives.
And, Neely was reportedly on K2 at the time.

There should be laws allowing you to restrain and kill these people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
Judge has denied Penny's motion to dismiss

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-judge-consider-marine-vet-daniel-pennys-motion-dismiss-case-jordan-neely-subway-chokehold-death

Hopefully a jury will see this for what it is.... a prosecution as a result of the mob.
And, the efforts of those who are trying to make Neely out to be some kind of hero (Al Sharpton, for one) will fail miserably.
So many witnesses (and some of those were people of color) were scared for their lives.
And, Neely was reportedly on K2 at the time.

There should be laws allowing you to restrain and kill these people

There should actually be laws requiring these people, who are a danger to other citizens, to be locked up and not allowed to threaten innocent people.
Daniel Penny should not have had to restrain and ultimately kill him. This is not something that innocent people should have to live with because local authorities won't do their jobs to protect the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60-year old woman was struck with her own cane 50 times on NY metro this morning and no single person stepped in to help. I guess everyone is still watching what is going to happen to Penny's trial.

Can you blame them?

These two incidents are not at all equivalent. First of all, it started as an altercation and happened at 3 in the morning. Someone videoed it, instead of stepping in, likely because of moral turpitude or fear of being beat up him/herself. I doubt they were thinking, "wow, this is jut like that marine who killed a loud dude. I better not intervene."

Taking video is what I would do. I'm a woman and there's no way I could restrain a violent adult. Getting some video evidence with the perp's face is the only way I could help.

Not me. They end up back on the streets the next day and I'm not going to be publicly called a witness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60-year old woman was struck with her own cane 50 times on NY metro this morning and no single person stepped in to help. I guess everyone is still watching what is going to happen to Penny's trial.

Can you blame them?

These two incidents are not at all equivalent. First of all, it started as an altercation and happened at 3 in the morning. Someone videoed it, instead of stepping in, likely because of moral turpitude or fear of being beat up him/herself. I doubt they were thinking, "wow, this is jut like that marine who killed a loud dude. I better not intervene."

Taking video is what I would do. I'm a woman and there's no way I could restrain a violent adult. Getting some video evidence with the perp's face is the only way I could help.

Not me. They end up back on the streets the next day and I'm not going to be publicly called a witness.

a witness or worse -- you'll be criticized for not helping