Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

There have been a number of subway deaths in NYC when people were pushed into the path of trains by mentally unstable people. Do you not keep up with the news?

How is that relevant to a guy on a train? Is your position that any homeless person anywhere in the subway system can be killed because they might someday push someone onto a track?

That is some fascist nutjob reasoning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

He didn’t do anything dangerous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unhoused should be allowed to pitch their tents on sidewalks and decline mental health treatment, right OP?

You can believe they shouldn’t be allowed to do that while ALSO believing they shouldn’t be murdered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unhoused should be allowed to pitch their tents on sidewalks and decline mental health treatment, right OP?

You can believe they shouldn’t be allowed to do that while ALSO believing they shouldn’t be murdered.

You are going to see more if this. Crime is up…way up. Lack of police authority. Mental illness up. People will be quick to react and not give benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But this man did not do any of those things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently a homeless man asked me for money. I said no apologetically, but he tried to attack me and steal my bag. He spit on me. I screamed as loud as I could. If I had a weapon, I would have used it. He could have easily killed me. I am very ill and it would not take much from a lunatic homeless vagrant to kill me. Sorry, I'm not dying for these people, they have already taken enough from me.

But this man did not do any of those things.

DP: How do you know what he did and didn't do? You weren't there and I'm sure the full story isn't out yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

There have been a number of subway deaths in NYC when people were pushed into the path of trains by mentally unstable people. Do you not keep up with the news?

Of course. Everyone knows about those subway deaths in NYC and elsewhere. But what does that have to do with this specific case? The guy was ON the train--not lunging at people on the platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilan...show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

This was probably a completely justified course of action. Of course, I do not know as I wasn't present, but the Marine was released without any charges being filed against him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilan...show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

This was probably a completely justified course of action. Of course, I do not know as I wasn't present, but the Marine was released without any charges being filed against him.

+1

Any reasonable person is going to err on the side of the Marine versus the mentally ill homeless person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilan...show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

This was probably a completely justified course of action. Of course, I do not know as I wasn't present, but the Marine was released without any charges being filed against him.

For now.

[Anonymous]

Just over the weekend a homeless man pushed a subway inspector onto the tracks at 96th street. Thank goodness the worker climbed up to safety in time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilan...show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Guy did the right thing. This homeless guy should have been locked up or institutionalized. He was a danger to others.

You think he was right to kill him? Literally choke him to death for 15 minutes? That's disgusting.

The marine literally murdered someone with his bare hands and you are calling the homeless guy a danger. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

All I know is that even though I lived in NYC for three years and traveled there constantly for years thereafter riding the subway I have no interest ever doing so again unless there’s a mayor and other city leaders who prioritize law and order over the riff-raff and crazies who indiscriminately loot stores and scare the crap out of everyone on the subway cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

If they aren't dangerous, why do you move away or get off the train quickly?