Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?

There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.

If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.

Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.

I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.

The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.

A jury will decide.

Absolutely not. If a person is making verbal threats, you have a duty to retreat in a public place. You don't put hands on the person. You leave the train and call the police.

Yea allow him to break the eye socket if a 67 year old woman first.

Yes, correct in some people's opinion.. Then if she can see well enough and get up, then she can call for help and wait for police.

And, if she doesn't survive the attack....... well, oh well........

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?

There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.

If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.

Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.

I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.

The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.

A jury will decide.

Absolutely not. If a person is making verbal threats, you have a duty to retreat in a public place. You don't put hands on the person. You leave the train and call the police.

Yea allow him to break the eye socket if a 67 year old woman first.

Yes, correct in some people's opinion.. Then if she can see well enough and get up, then she can call for help and wait for police.

Presumably that's what happened, since he was arrested and charged for that crime. But then the system failed and he walked out of the treatment plan and vanished into the streets.

So calling for the police doesn't seem to have helped that much.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?

There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.

If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.

Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.

I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.

The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.

A jury will decide.

Absolutely not. If a person is making verbal threats, you have a duty to retreat in a public place. You don't put hands on the person. You leave the train and call the police.

Yea allow him to break the eye socket if a 67 year old woman first.

Yes, correct in some people's opinion.. Then if she can see well enough and get up, then she can call for help and wait for police.

Presumably that's what happened, since he was arrested and charged for that crime. But then the system failed and he walked out of the treatment plan and vanished into the streets.

So calling for the police doesn't seem to have helped that much.

The New York system failed Mr. Neely repeatedly. He did not deserve to die the way he did. It's horrific and a tragedy. But letting him back onto the streets 40+ times was criminal, in my opinion. His victims have suffered. It was not safe for him or other people. I'm assuming his behaviors were too much for his relatives to handle. If I had been on that subway, I would have been very frightened by his behavior I do not think Mr. Penny should have been charged.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?

There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.

If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.

Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.

I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.

The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.

A jury will decide.

Absolutely not. If a person is making verbal threats, you have a duty to retreat in a public place. You don't put hands on the person. You leave the train and call the police.

Yea allow him to break the eye socket if a 67 year old woman first.

Yes, correct in some people's opinion.. Then if she can see well enough and get up, then she can call for help and wait for police.

Presumably that's what happened, since he was arrested and charged for that crime. But then the system failed and he walked out of the treatment plan and vanished into the streets.

So calling for the police doesn't seem to have helped that much.

The New York system failed Mr. Neely repeatedly. He did not deserve to die the way he did. It's horrific and a tragedy. But letting him back onto the streets 40+ times was criminal, in my opinion. His victims have suffered. It was not safe for him or other people. I'm assuming his behaviors were too much for his relatives to handle. If I had been on that subway, I would have been very frightened by his behavior I do not think Mr. Penny should have been charged.

I don't either.
And, the one that should be held accountable is actually Alvin Bragg who let this guy walk repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

That article isn't another perspective, it's race baiting trash. The comments section is absolutely disturbing, with most people being supportive of the authors racist ramblings.

I just read that article and now I want to stab my eyes out. Can we at least acknowledge that not every crazy black man on the subway is the resurrected Jesus Christ himself? That's seven minutes of time I'm not getting back

The article is despicable. I’m in NYC and the tone is off right from the start. The 3rd paragraph begins, “Across social media, lamenting onlookers privileged enough to think America’s racism dissolved after the protests of summer 2020 have asked how this could happen.” This is some of the crassest, most MANIPULATIVE BS - and there is no one who legitimately thought the wand was waved in early September 2020 and poof! Bye-bye racism!

My hand to all gods, there are people who want to make every unstable person very much into a resurrected Christ, where the fear one may at having her hair grabbed and yanked down to force her to stay in a train car is the problem - not the act of forcing a smaller person to interact with an out of control lunatic. F this noise. It’s the dishonesty that kills me. It just precludes all conversation if you start screaming about “lynching” in the first paragraph.

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

That article isn't another perspective, it's race baiting trash. The comments section is absolutely disturbing, with most people being supportive of the authors racist ramblings.

I just read that article and now I want to stab my eyes out. Can we at least acknowledge that not every crazy black man on the subway is the resurrected Jesus Christ himself? That's seven minutes of time I'm not getting back

The article is despicable. I’m in NYC and the tone is off right from the start. The 3rd paragraph begins, “Across social media, lamenting onlookers privileged enough to think America’s racism dissolved after the protests of summer 2020 have asked how this could happen.” This is some of the crassest, most MANIPULATIVE BS - and there is no one who legitimately thought the wand was waved in early September 2020 and poof! Bye-bye racism!

My hand to all gods, there are people who want to make every unstable person very much into a resurrected Christ, where the fear one may at having her hair grabbed and yanked down to force her to stay in a train car is the problem - not the act of forcing a smaller person to interact with an out of control lunatic. F this noise. It’s the dishonesty that kills me. It just precludes all conversation if you start screaming about “lynching” in the first paragraph.

I’m still mad. How effing DARE the author compare this to Breonna Taylor. The differences were and are EVERYTHING - she was murdered in my view in her home by agents of the state! Shame on Packett, this is disgusting.
God!

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

That article isn't another perspective, it's race baiting trash. The comments section is absolutely disturbing, with most people being supportive of the authors racist ramblings.

I just read that article and now I want to stab my eyes out. Can we at least acknowledge that not every crazy black man on the subway is the resurrected Jesus Christ himself? That's seven minutes of time I'm not getting back

The article is despicable. I’m in NYC and the tone is off right from the start. The 3rd paragraph begins, “Across social media, lamenting onlookers privileged enough to think America’s racism dissolved after the protests of summer 2020 have asked how this could happen.” This is some of the crassest, most MANIPULATIVE BS - and there is no one who legitimately thought the wand was waved in early September 2020 and poof! Bye-bye racism!

My hand to all gods, there are people who want to make every unstable person very much into a resurrected Christ, where the fear one may at having her hair grabbed and yanked down to force her to stay in a train car is the problem - not the act of forcing a smaller person to interact with an out of control lunatic. F this noise. It’s the dishonesty that kills me. It just precludes all conversation if you start screaming about “lynching” in the first paragraph.

That publication is like many other publications or web sites these days. It knows its niche and serves up what its readers want, which is a steady diet of accusations of racism and a celebration of victimhood. If you want a more objective analysis, you’d never look there in the first place. They aren’t exactly going after the same market as, say, the BBC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

That article isn't another perspective, it's race baiting trash. The comments section is absolutely disturbing, with most people being supportive of the authors racist ramblings.

I just read that article and now I want to stab my eyes out. Can we at least acknowledge that not every crazy black man on the subway is the resurrected Jesus Christ himself? That's seven minutes of time I'm not getting back

The article is despicable. I’m in NYC and the tone is off right from the start. The 3rd paragraph begins, “Across social media, lamenting onlookers privileged enough to think America’s racism dissolved after the protests of summer 2020 have asked how this could happen.” This is some of the crassest, most MANIPULATIVE BS - and there is no one who legitimately thought the wand was waved in early September 2020 and poof! Bye-bye racism!

My hand to all gods, there are people who want to make every unstable person very much into a resurrected Christ, where the fear one may at having her hair grabbed and yanked down to force her to stay in a train car is the problem - not the act of forcing a smaller person to interact with an out of control lunatic. F this noise. It’s the dishonesty that kills me. It just precludes all conversation if you start screaming about “lynching” in the first paragraph.

That publication is like many other publications or web sites these days. It knows its niche and serves up what its readers want, which is a steady diet of accusations of racism and a celebration of victimhood. If you want a more objective analysis, you’d never look there in the first place. They aren’t exactly going after the same market as, say, the BBC.

The Cut has produced some astute perspectives. This one is horseshit through and through. But no it’s not a particularly great publication no.

[Anonymous]

“And the Samaritan saw the man on the side of the road as a threat and strangled him to death, thus making him a Good Samaritan.”

-1st Christian Nationalist 6:66

[Anonymous]

Defense fund has almost hit 2 million!

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Anonymous wrote:“And the Samaritan saw the man on the side of the road as a threat and strangled him to death, thus making him a Good Samaritan.”

-1st Christian Nationalist 6:66

You’re being a complete disingenuous a-hole, but you knew that. I haven’t contributed a cent to Penny’s defense and support the manslaughter charge while also clocking the ludicrous dishonesty of Packett Cunningham’s diatribe.

If you want to target everyone not on your “side” who won’t simplify this, who won’t call this homicide a “murder,” and who otherwise have more reason to know than you ever will what it’s like to be accosted by a floridly ill man, as a DeSantis ally, so be it. It’s a mistake but it’s yours to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund has almost hit 2 million!

Great news! I'm glad people are coming out in droves to show their support. Notable on the list of donors are Vivek Ramaswamy and Kid Rock.

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund has almost hit 2 million!

Great news! I'm glad people are coming out in droves to show their support. Notable on the list of donors are Vivek Ramaswamy and Kid Rock.

Also Tim Pool at $20k

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund has almost hit 2 million!

Great news! I'm glad people are coming out in droves to show their support. Notable on the list of donors are Vivek Ramaswamy and Kid Rock.

Are those the notable donors? Only conservatives? No moderates or liberals?

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund has almost hit 2 million!

Great news! I'm glad people are coming out in droves to show their support. Notable on the list of donors are Vivek Ramaswamy and Kid Rock.

It's quite telling about the mindset of people who support Penny's actions when you look at who they're aligning themselves with...