Does you relationship change if you stay home ( for moms)?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s annoying to me to keep seeing these posts from
Women. Why don’t you go back to work and see how it is? You had 6 months off and suddenly you’re ready to throw away your career and put in your resignation. No wonder employers don’t like women. I felt the same with my first, yes it sucks and yes it felt wrong to leave. But I didn’t jump to it’s time to stay home mentality but rather can I do this and see how it is and then decide? I cobbled some childcare for the next few months and guess what? I liked working and my baby wasn’t a baby anymore and I continued my career.

To your original question, of course things will change for the worse, you are not solely financially dependent on your spouse, I GUARANTEE you you’ll have fights about chores, and you’ll feel guilty about asking for help or things to do. I’m fine if you want to pick this course of action, but damn, go back to your job a bit don’t just end it because you spent a few months home with a newborn.


Or vice versa.
Take another six months off and see if you are more comfortable with leaving a toddler, rather than a newborn, and going back to work.
There is no reason this has to be an all or nothing decision.


OP here. I haven’t made any decision about staying at home. I extended my maternity leave until 6 months, but I might go back at least PT.


If you are working in direct patient care and need to keep your credentials, then of course you should go back part time. The question is: "how part time?" Do you want to go back 36 hours/wk? Or do you want to go back 10 hours/month?



Part time in healthcare can be complicated. If you need to work 12 hr shifts, and you can't count on your DH to be home at a certain time, you'll likely need 2 nannies. Having two separate nannies to cover part time hours will be a challenge.


OP here. I don’t work 12 hour shifts now. I work M-F, 8 hour days. I would only take a job where I would work M-F and no more than 8 hours.


Such ambition. Can see why he loves you. Lol
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.


OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s annoying to me to keep seeing these posts from
Women. Why don’t you go back to work and see how it is? You had 6 months off and suddenly you’re ready to throw away your career and put in your resignation. No wonder employers don’t like women. I felt the same with my first, yes it sucks and yes it felt wrong to leave. But I didn’t jump to it’s time to stay home mentality but rather can I do this and see how it is and then decide? I cobbled some childcare for the next few months and guess what? I liked working and my baby wasn’t a baby anymore and I continued my career.

To your original question, of course things will change for the worse, you are not solely financially dependent on your spouse, I GUARANTEE you you’ll have fights about chores, and you’ll feel guilty about asking for help or things to do. I’m fine if you want to pick this course of action, but damn, go back to your job a bit don’t just end it because you spent a few months home with a newborn.


Or vice versa.
Take another six months off and see if you are more comfortable with leaving a toddler, rather than a newborn, and going back to work.
There is no reason this has to be an all or nothing decision.


OP here. I haven’t made any decision about staying at home. I extended my maternity leave until 6 months, but I might go back at least PT.


If you are working in direct patient care and need to keep your credentials, then of course you should go back part time. The question is: "how part time?" Do you want to go back 36 hours/wk? Or do you want to go back 10 hours/month?



Part time in healthcare can be complicated. If you need to work 12 hr shifts, and you can't count on your DH to be home at a certain time, you'll likely need 2 nannies. Having two separate nannies to cover part time hours will be a challenge.


OP here. I don’t work 12 hour shifts now. I work M-F, 8 hour days. I would only take a job where I would work M-F and no more than 8 hours.


Such ambition. Can see why he loves you. Lol


OP here. No need for snide comments. I worked two jobs while putting myself through nursing school, and worked FT as a nurse working 10-12 hour shifts while I put myself through NP program. I worked 10-12 hour shifts for years until I switched over to my current position. I would not take 12 hour shifts if I could avoid it because I want to be able to see my child everyday and spend time with him. I’m in a place financially where I have the ability to work less.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.


OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.


OP here. Did you not read my original post? It was to see if and how people’s marriages changed once they stayed home. Some said their husbands turned into jerks. I put out there that my husband isn’t like that. That doesn’t mean I’m not still looking and reading other posters experiences and advice.
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Look, you need to stop worrying about this and do whatever you want to do. I’m sorry to be a witch, but doctors don’t marry nurses because they are impressed with their career ambition. (Frankly, most doctors don’t have a lot of respect for people in any other career path at all. And I say this as a psychiatrist, which is definitely the minivan of specialties.)
If he isn’t looking at you as “just a nurse” now, then he won’t look at you as “just a mom” when you SAH.
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This thread went a little off the rails but I thought I’d chime in to say, no, my relationship with DH didn’t change when I started SAH. And he DID marry me because of my career ambition, at least in part.

BUT he really genuinely values the work I do at home - most notably taking care of our kids, but also other things like cooking healthy meals, signing kids up for activities, arranging play dates, etc. He knows it’s hard to take care of little kids and doesn’t take it for granted.
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Anonymous wrote:This thread went a little off the rails but I thought I’d chime in to say, no, my relationship with DH didn’t change when I started SAH. And he DID marry me because of my career ambition, at least in part.

BUT he really genuinely values the work I do at home - most notably taking care of our kids, but also other things like cooking healthy meals, signing kids up for activities, arranging play dates, etc. He knows it’s hard to take care of little kids and doesn’t take it for granted.


This was how it was for me too. I think for many people the attraction to ambition is more about “how cool that this person does what they set out to do, and they do it well” rather than “how cool that this person is succeeding in a prestigious job.”
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.



OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.


Np here. My thoughts exactly. Why did OP start the thread if she’s already so certain her husband won’t change.

That’s the thing: even good people, good husbands, are human and can change.

OP seems a bit too defensive.

A good friend of mine has a good husband, nice guy. He totally changed how he regarded her. It was clear he thought her time wasn’t as precious as his. And she felt guilty that he was financially supporting her. It seems an unhappy situation.

It’s not a question of a husband being a good or bad person. It’s about slipping into certain roles that society reinforces.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.



OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.


Np here. My thoughts exactly. Why did OP start the thread if she’s already so certain her husband won’t change.

That’s the thing: even good people, good husbands, are human and can change.

OP seems a bit too defensive.

A good friend of mine has a good husband, nice guy. He totally changed how he regarded her. It was clear he thought her time wasn’t as precious as his. And she felt guilty that he was financially supporting her. It seems an unhappy situation.

It’s not a question of a husband being a good or bad person. It’s about slipping into certain roles that society reinforces.


If he’s a doctor, and OP is a nurse, some of this is going to be true whether or not she returns to work. His time at work will be more important than hers, and he will out-earn her.

Just do whatever makes you happy, OP.
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Anonymous wrote:Look, you need to stop worrying about this and do whatever you want to do. I’m sorry to be a witch, but doctors don’t marry nurses because they are impressed with their career ambition. (Frankly, most doctors don’t have a lot of respect for people in any other career path at all. And I say this as a psychiatrist, which is definitely the minivan of specialties.)
If he isn’t looking at you as “just a nurse” now, then he won’t look at you as “just a mom” when you SAH.


Lol the minivan of specialties...I lol'ed at this. I'm an ER doc, which is maybe the Toyota of specialities (it ain't fancy but it'll get you there?)...anyway OP just chiming in to say the utility of your career as an NP is super high. I have no idea how your marital dynamic will change staying home. What I can say is that mid-level providers (or APPs, whatever your preferred terminology is), have the absolute best of both worlds in medicine. You have better hours than we do as MDs, less liability, better overall happiness (studies bear this out), and less debt. You may earn less, but on avg APPs still exceed or approach 6 figures. I say all this to point out that if there's any way to satisfy your desire to stay home with your babies (which I totally get) but keep a foot in your career to transition back at some point, you absolutely will want to do this. You have the golden goose of careers: meaningful, lucrative, stable. The economics of medicine just don't favor docs anymore. Most of our groups are owned by hedge funds who think we're too expensive and could give 2 sh*ts that most of us went 200K+ into debt to earn our degree. That was the medicine of the 80's and we're not there anymore, so it's on us to pay our debts off and survive in this landscape. It's not great, I'll tell you. But as a midlevel your desirability will go up, not down, for the next 2 decades, which are your earning years. All this is to say I'd look at this less as how your husband will regard you, and more from a standpoint of the smartest plan, and do that. The rest of the stuff has a way of working out when you approach it that way. And if it's a disaster, you can reassess. But disconnecting from a clinical career for too long makes it super hard to go back. You will want to eventually. Just keep that door cracked open.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.



OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.


Np here. My thoughts exactly. Why did OP start the thread if she’s already so certain her husband won’t change.

That’s the thing: even good people, good husbands, are human and can change.

OP seems a bit too defensive.

A good friend of mine has a good husband, nice guy. He totally changed how he regarded her. It was clear he thought her time wasn’t as precious as his. And she felt guilty that he was financially supporting her. It seems an unhappy situation.

It’s not a question of a husband being a good or bad person. It’s about slipping into certain roles that society reinforces.


If he’s a doctor, and OP is a nurse, some of this is going to be true whether or not she returns to work. His time at work will be more important than hers, and he will out-earn her.

Just do whatever makes you happy, OP.


his time will be less flexible. I disagree that it will be more important. Paid labor is not more important labor.
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Anonymous wrote:My husband and I just had a beautiful baby. I’ve always been very financially independent and planned to work. Then I had my son. I have extended my 12 week maternity to 6 months, though I’m contemplating quitting my job to stay home with him and hopefully a second baby for the next couple of years. My husband is very supportive of whatever I want to do. I do often think about how our relationship and marriage will change with me not bringing in an income. I’ve always been one to say I would never be dependent on another person, but I’m here now. For stay at home moms, did your relationship/marriage change? How did you staying home affect things?


It does, but it was worth it (my kids are 4 and 7 now, and I'm back at work). I also started working very PT (10 hours a week) when they were each 1 years old -- having even a small income stream was enough to keep our dynamic in balance, made it much much easier to ramp up to full time work when I was ready, and I never felt like I didn't have enough time with the kids.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, turn this around. Are you willing to give up someting important to you (staying home with your kids) just so your relationship dynamic will stay the same? I don't see how that is at all empowering to you.

If your husband only loves and values you for your job, then that's a problem.

I stay home with my kids (4 and 2) and have no regrets. Yes it is hard and sometimes boring, but so are all "jobs."

In Europe, your maternity leave would automaticall be a year or more. The idea that you should only stay home with your baby for 3-6 months is very American. It's not your fault you live in America in 2021 and you're only allowed 3 months home with your baby.

No, I do not have "an allowance." We do have a household budget that we BOTH follow. I am actually in charge of our finances and budget.

Yes, I do most of the household chores because it's convenient for me to do them while home with the kids. But my husband has a normal 9-5 job and also does a lot of housework and childcare. We both work hard and we both have the same amount of leisure time. He is not coming home from work and having a beer while I continue to do things around the house.


OP here. I said one of the reasons my husband fell in love with me was because of our jobs. That is not the only reason. He loves me for many reasons, as I do him. He also loves how amazing of a mom I am and tells me that everyday.


Every response from you is basically how great things are and what a wonderful husband you have. That is awesome. But why the crowdsource then? Of course we don’t know what your husband will think of you when/if you are a SAHM.


OP here. Did you not read my original post? It was to see if and how people’s marriages changed once they stayed home. Some said their husbands turned into jerks. I put out there that my husband isn’t like that. That doesn’t mean I’m not still looking and reading other posters experiences and advice.


My husband didn't turn into a jerk, but the balance of power really shifted.

It was also stressful for being the sole breadwinner. Luckily, I was back working when he got laid off 4 years ago.
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Anonymous wrote:Look, you need to stop worrying about this and do whatever you want to do. I’m sorry to be a witch, but doctors don’t marry nurses because they are impressed with their career ambition. (Frankly, most doctors don’t have a lot of respect for people in any other career path at all. And I say this as a psychiatrist, which is definitely the minivan of specialties.)
If he isn’t looking at you as “just a nurse” now, then he won’t look at you as “just a mom” when you SAH.


Lol the minivan of specialties...I lol'ed at this. I'm an ER doc, which is maybe the Toyota of specialities (it ain't fancy but it'll get you there?)...anyway OP just chiming in to say the utility of your career as an NP is super high. I have no idea how your marital dynamic will change staying home. What I can say is that mid-level providers (or APPs, whatever your preferred terminology is), have the absolute best of both worlds in medicine. You have better hours than we do as MDs, less liability, better overall happiness (studies bear this out), and less debt. You may earn less, but on avg APPs still exceed or approach 6 figures. I say all this to point out that if there's any way to satisfy your desire to stay home with your babies (which I totally get) but keep a foot in your career to transition back at some point, you absolutely will want to do this. You have the golden goose of careers: meaningful, lucrative, stable. The economics of medicine just don't favor docs anymore. Most of our groups are owned by hedge funds who think we're too expensive and could give 2 sh*ts that most of us went 200K+ into debt to earn our degree. That was the medicine of the 80's and we're not there anymore, so it's on us to pay our debts off and survive in this landscape. It's not great, I'll tell you. But as a midlevel your desirability will go up, not down, for the next 2 decades, which are your earning years. All this is to say I'd look at this less as how your husband will regard you, and more from a standpoint of the smartest plan, and do that. The rest of the stuff has a way of working out when you approach it that way. And if it's a disaster, you can reassess. But disconnecting from a clinical career for too long makes it super hard to go back. You will want to eventually. Just keep that door cracked open.


Haha! I like that about the Toyota. I have worked in the ED most of my career, and am working on opening a PES at my institution right now.
I tell med students that psychiatry is the minivan of specialties. No one is going to think it’s cool, but if it’s what you want, nothing else is really going to work.

I absolutely agree that APP’s are valuable, and I wouldn’t quit entirely. It is very hard to get back in once you do that. However, my husband is a surgeon, and there are times that my time is better spent at home with the family, rather than working. I have had very good luck picking up once a month weekend hospital coverage or overnight call for ED consults when I wanted to be out of the workforce, but keep my toe in. I wouldn’t bank on getting a part-time 9-5 job, OP. Look outside that world and consider inpatient work at odd hours that need to be filled. You will have a lot more pull.



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I was covid downsized moving from a 200K income to zero. My DH expects a nanny (which we had) a housekeeper (which we had) and for a job search while not allowing time for any of it. Beware new mom and good luck!
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