What happened to the Moderate Dem or Rep??

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

According to some Putin is a Soviet revivalist and he wants to return to the USSR. In the past lefties wouldn’t give a rats ass about this .
Republicans were the ones wound up by Russia and the need to “contain” Russia to promote US hegemony.

Trump doesn’t seem to care . He supports a multi polar world which is super anti Republican

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

A few things, what does the first part have to do with my post? Tucker Carlson likes that Russia silences its "enemies" (*cough* citizens who disagree with the nation). You should really see how he marvels in a Russian train stop and grocery store, it's really good content.
Sure, Ukraine is just as authoritarian, why would that matter?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

Zelensky is Ukrainian and Russia is taking Ukrainian territory. What's the difficulty here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

I think what they're getting at is it used to be a more progressive thing to think the US politics need to get over Russia and stop being so militaristic about the whole ordeal, but now Republicans are in bed with Putin

Putin has nothing to do with the USSR. In the 1950s there was some interest from European socialists in the USSR, but there was never any connection between Western liberal parties and the USSR and the Democrats were virulently anti-Communist through the 1960s, by which point interest in Communism in America was dead.

But, again, Russia hasn't ahd anything to do wiht communism for decades -- there hasn't been even any stereotyped or imagined affinity between the left and Putin, ever. He's always been anti-Democratic, pro-oligarch, pro-oil, anti-minority, anti-self-determination and anti-human rights. He's a rightwinger and the connections have always been there with the GOP but it's only recently that it's become so public.

I know the USSR thing, just imagine they are talking about Russia. Progressives don't really see the point in going militaristic on Russia, even if its an anti-democratic mess, because they believe Russia is not an actual threat (and partially its all an extension of anti-USSR propaganda).

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Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

I think what they're getting at is it used to be a more progressive thing to think the US politics need to get over Russia and stop being so militaristic about the whole ordeal, but now Republicans are in bed with Putin

Putin has nothing to do with the USSR. In the 1950s there was some interest from European socialists in the USSR, but there was never any connection between Western liberal parties and the USSR and the Democrats were virulently anti-Communist through the 1960s, by which point interest in Communism in America was dead.

But, again, Russia hasn't ahd anything to do wiht communism for decades -- there hasn't been even any stereotyped or imagined affinity between the left and Putin, ever. He's always been anti-Democratic, pro-oligarch, pro-oil, anti-minority, anti-self-determination and anti-human rights. He's a rightwinger and the connections have always been there with the GOP but it's only recently that it's become so public.

I know the USSR thing, just imagine they are talking about Russia. Progressives don't really see the point in going militaristic on Russia, even if its an anti-democratic mess, because they believe Russia is not an actual threat (and partially its all an extension of anti-USSR propaganda).

Hmmm... the US has supported independent Ukraine for decades, starting with Clinton. But why would I imagine that Russia is the USSR? It's a totally different country, differnet politics and their governments are unrelated... Liberals have long opposed Putin's persecution of minorities and human rights abuses. There's been no connection between the American left and Russia—Soviet or not—since pre-WWII.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

DP. I like when he trash talks the Republican party and says the things they aren't supposed to, and then...goes right back into being a trash heap. It's nice to know that he's aware of his shenanigans. It's all prime time tv for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

Zelensky is Ukrainian and Russia is taking Ukrainian territory. What's the difficulty here?

And this is the stance that’s pushed many progressives to vote for Trump.

The neoliberals and neocons are lockstep when it comes to Defending the freedom of foreigners over our own backyard.

America first

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

Zelensky is Ukrainian and Russia is taking Ukrainian territory. What's the difficulty here?

And this is the stance that’s pushed many progressives to vote for Trump.

The neoliberals and neocons are lockstep when it comes to Defending the freedom of foreigners over our own backyard.

America first

Most progressives would rather not vote then vote Trump. They're ideologically opposed. Are we going to just forget that progressives are LEFT of the democratic party?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

Zelensky is Ukrainian and Russia is taking Ukrainian territory. What's the difficulty here?

And this is the stance that’s pushed many progressives to vote for Trump.

The neoliberals and neocons are lockstep when it comes to Defending the freedom of foreigners over our own backyard.

America first

This is like three sentences that aren't related.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is a left of center president. Schumer and Jeffries are left of center democrats. None of the three - the Dmeocratic leadership, are "progressives"

There is a lot of room in the democratic tent for people who are pro-choice and don't want crazy running the country.

I would argue that Biden is much closer to Reagan than most of the current GOP.

What about a pro life democrat. Is there room for them?

I'm certain some dems are pro-life but just aren't into forcing their values on others like the MAGAs.

That's rich...and ignorant...so you are actually going to tell me that Dems aren't into forcing their values on others? You know...I wasn't going to vote for Trump if a moderate Dem whose values unify the country actually ran...but your comment is why many moderate Dems are not happy....so still not sure I'll vote for Trump...you Dems better nominate someone to unify the country because right now neither side is doing this successfully and if you can't see that you are wearing blinders.

“…whose values unify the country” is a fool’s errand because there are huge factions who have no desire to be unified. Your values are largely reflected in one party, or they aren’t, and if they aren’t you might be a single issue voter.

And your bolded comment doesn’t make sense. The idea that there are personally pro-life dems who believe pregnancy decisions should be left up to a woman and her doctor - is the reason moderate Dems aren’t happy? I’m not following that logic.

That said I was a moderate until Dobbs. Personally pro-life, but incensed at what’s happening to women in this country. I have a ton of GOP friends who believed Roe was safe in 2020 and they now parrot the “state’s rights” line. I was naive and believed it too. I won’t fall for that again and have read all I need to know about Project 2025.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

Well, Biden has the strictest immigration policy of any American president ever, so I don't think Trump has that ground. And most Americans support the war in Ukraine and... vaccines? I mean, I guess Biden has tried to steal Trump's thunder ont hat one, but yeah, yeah, yeah we remember, he did Operation Warp Speed and pushed the Covid vax on us, and it was hugely successful... so I guess if he can really remind people of that, it could help with the pulling some Dem voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.